Socialism 2030

[martin007]

The socialist agenda 2030 has been underway for a long time.
COVID is accelerating the 2030 agenda.

Owning a car will be only for millionaires.
Eating meat will be only for millionaires.
Having heat at home will only be for millionaires.

If they want to kill us, there are faster, less painful ways.

[Burgerman]

Well all socialists want to control everything including you. But rest assured they wont be going by bus and will be eating meat! Read about the great reset.

[martin007]

Read about the great reset.

I do.

[funkykeyboard]

There are 7 billion people in the world I Challenge you'you can name one Socialist who has any influence upon the global economy!

I also challenge you to name any organisations that are truly social-ist. Commune-ist.

[Burgerman]

Biden

[martin007]

There are 7 billion people in the world I Challenge you'you can name one Socialist who has any influence upon the global economy!

I also challenge you to name any organisations that are truly social-ist. Commune-ist.

George Soros
Bill Gates

Both defend globalist socialism.

[Burgerman]

Even in my home town. Half the councillors are socialists and up until before brexit the majority were. They make emdless stupid decisions ove my lifetime that have ruined this towns economy. And infrastructure.

[funkykeyboard]

There are 7 billion people in the world I Challenge you'you can name one Socialist who has any influence upon the global economy!

I also challenge you to name any organisations that are truly social-ist. Commune-ist.

George Soros
Bill Gates

Both defend globalist socialism.

do they call themselves socialists? Liberals maybe. Billionaire philanthropist, certainly. Social-ist? Never. Are you familiar with the term commune? Do you know what a commune is? (I'm not being condescending or rude, it's a genuine question about definitions.)

there are literally thousands of articles and books written by the Socialist workers party AGAINST globalisation. Globalisation is a phenomena of crony capitalism.

[funkykeyboard]

Even in my home town. Half the councillors are socialists and up until before brexit the majority were. They make emdless stupid decisions ove my lifetime that have ruined this towns economy. And infrastructure.

but they haven't been in government have they for 40 years? And they certainly have no power over the global economy. Your globalist socialists are like the bogeyman, they don't exist.

[Burgerman]

Yes they do. The whole EU for e.g. We were talking about socialism. Not all your other words. The clue is in the name. SOCIALdemocrats. Biden just handed everyone a maxed out 10k credit card. Even though he has no money. He handed the country their own debt. Socialism.

[martin007]

there are literally thousands of articles and books written by the Socialist workers party AGAINST globalisation. Globalisation is a phenomena of crony capitalism.

Globalism and globalization with different terms.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism

[sacharlie]

LOL

Calling redder!

Where is redder?

[funkykeyboard]

there are literally thousands of articles and books written by the Socialist workers party AGAINST globalisation. Globalisation is a phenomena of crony capitalism.

Globalism and globalization with different terms.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism

although both talking about the same thing. Your term is the political ideology of the hard right "The term is also frequently used as an pejorative by far-right movements and conspiracy theorists. Usage in this way has also been associated with anti-Semitism, as anti-semites frequently appropriate the word globalist for Jews." So suggesting there is a cause "Jewish conspiracy" for globalisation.

But to every single commune-ist I've met has set THEIR objective as destroying government. Same with the anarchists.

Whereas the right such as yourself see this as a Jewish conspiracy, socialist conspiracy, or some other ilk, the globalisation of which they both speak is viewed by commune-ist's as being a product of capitalism that possibly existed for a very brief period in British history hundreds of years ago, or what BM describes as crony capitalism today. There is no conspiracy for them, there is just people who want to acquire money pulling every lever they can to acquire money. This results in them buying politicians, and taking as much power away from the people as possible, for no other aim than to increase moneymaking.

[funkykeyboard]

LOL

Calling redder!

Where is redder?

his politics got him banned

[Burgerman]

No it didnt. And I already explained that very clearly. But keep trolling or insulting me as he did and that will get you banned. Your choice. No more warnings.

[funkykeyboard]

To cut you both some slack, the people you are mistaking for socialists, and they even mistake themselves for socialist, truly should be labelled as reformists. They mistakenly believe that capitalism can be reformed in the interests of the people. It can't. Capitalism can only ever work in the interests of those who own and control it. If you want to put power in the hands of the people you need democracy. Real democracy. Nothing more nothing less.

[Burgerman]

To cut you both some slack, the people you are mistaking for socialists, and they even mistake themselves for socialist, truly should be labelled as reformists.

How many times. I dont give a crap how you wish to label somethig. Thats you word masturbation hobby. Its pointless. Achieves nothing.

They mistakenly believe that capitalism can be reformed in the interests of the people. It can't. Capitalism can only ever work in the interests of those who own and control it. If you want to put power in the hands of the people you need democracy. Real democracy. Nothing more nothing less.

Since capitalism is literally just the lack of interference of governments and is simple free trade and free markets what you say above is complete nonsense. Its already in the interest of the people which is why it always succeeds where socialism always fails.

[funkykeyboard]

No it didnt. And I already explained that very clearly. But keep trolling or insulting me as he did and that will get you banned. Your choice.

that wasn't Lord Chatterley's perception, who has constantly begged you not to curtail free speech.
well you need to point to what and where I have trolled you and insulted you today? I have never trolled you, and never insulted you, to my knowledge. Banter, like you have given to myself and redder. But nothing I would take seriously.

[funkykeyboard]

To cut you both some slack, the people you are mistaking for socialists, and they even mistake themselves for socialist, truly should be labelled as reformists.

How many times. I dont give a crap how you wish to label somethig. Thats you word masturbation hobby. Its pointless. Achieves nothing.

They mistakenly believe that capitalism can be reformed in the interests of the people. It can't. Capitalism can only ever work in the interests of those who own and control it. If you want to put power in the hands of the people you need democracy. Real democracy. Nothing more nothing less.

Since capitalism is literally just the lack of interference of governments and is simple free trade and free markets what you say above is complete nonsense. Its already in the interest of the people which is why it always succeeds where socialism always fails.

which since it has NEVER existed, is not worth talking about. It doesn't exist, it never has. Unless you can refute this statement, by pointing to capitalism in a country any time anywhere, you might as well be talking about fairies.

Now if you want an economy without government, that is commune-ism. Democracy.

[Burgerman]

which since it has NEVER existed, is not worth talking about. It doesn't exist, it never has. Unless you can refute this statement, by pointing to capitalism in a country any time anywhere, you might as well be talking about fairies.

Why is it that I have to keep on repeating this over and over with every single socialist year on year.
There are no purely capitalist countries anywhere. Every counltry is a mix of socialism and capitalist freedoms. The UK was called the sick man of europe for a long time until we got rid of the left leaning socialistic big government labour party. It wasnt as socialist as say venzuala is, or as the eastern block countries. But it was damaging enough. Its like this. The bigger the government. The greater the centralised control of the economy, the more socialist things it does the poorer the people are. And the opposite is true. The freer the people are to trade, make money, run businesses and allow free market supply and demand of labour and prices the richer the people become. And that includes the poor.

Now if you want an economy without government, that is commune-ism. Democracy.

Nobody ever said that. In a prmarily free market economy the aim is to keep goverment small and to only interfere with the things that the people want them to do. For e.g roads, big infrastructure projects, millitary, police etc. So its all about how socialist and how capitalist.

So there it is all over again for the 1000th time. You may note that the poor on the right side have better living standards than 95% of the population do on the left side. And no its not a coincidence or other people/countries fault that they have to eat grass in the dark.

[funkykeyboard]

past performance is no guarantee of future returns

[funkykeyboard]

Nobody ever said that. In a prmarily free market economy the aim is to keep goverment small and to only interfere with the things that the people want them to do. For e.g roads, big infrastructure projects, millitary, police etc. So its all about how socialist and how capitalist.

NOT "the people" you mean in the interest 1% capitalist. You want government that only intervenes in the interests of the capitalist, because you believe the capitalist operate in the interests of the people.

You are Lord Chatterley are completely against the 99% of us, "the mob" "the drones" "the capitalist little helpers" having any influence over any government.

[Burgerman]

The capitalist acts in his own interest, which helps the people. Thats why the poor are not starving as they did in many of the now collapsed socialist economies, Or eating grass in the dark in a cold poverty stricken dwelling. Your window cleaner is a free market capitalist. He IS the people. And everyone like him. And around and around we go and you will never understand it because you dont know how to think or because you dont want to. On purpose.

[funkykeyboard]

which since it has NEVER existed, is not worth talking about. It doesn't exist, it never has. Unless you can refute this statement, by pointing to capitalism in a country any time anywhere, you might as well be talking about fairies.

Why is it that I have to keep on repeating this over and over with every single socialist year on year.
There are no purely capitalist countries anywhere. Every counltry is a mix of socialism and capitalist freedoms. The UK was called the sick man of europe for a long time until we got rid of the left leaning socialistic big government labour party. It wasnt as socialist as say venzuala is, or as the eastern block countries. But it was damaging enough. Its like this. The bigger the government. The greater the centralised control of the economy, the more socialist things it does the poorer the people are. And the opposite is true. The freer the people are to trade, make money, run businesses and allow free market supply and demand of labour and prices the richer the people become. And that includes the poor.

you fell for the propaganda mate. Historical fact is, in this country the right wing since 1945 had created more national debt than the Labour governments. And that trend is only increased since Thatcher.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017 ... onal-debt/

[sacharlie]

FYI...!!!
The most capitalist country in the world today as we argue.

USA....USA...MAGA...MAGA but no the overlords do not allow that.
So Trump's tax cut as usual gave 85% to the overlords that don't need the cuts. Deficits be dammed!
So Biden's pandemic relief payments to the people...though they need it...NO...we can't afford the deficits...sat the Republicans.

Same with saving the Wall Street Banks in the past!

[Burgerman]

And thats WAY less than all the collapsed poor places that are now bankrupt. And we have a better living standard - especially for the poor - than all of those failed socialist experiments that ran in over 100 places across much of the world for a century. So your argument is rediculous.

If you all love socialism so much why dont you all move to a socialist success like north korea or cuba or venuzuala. And live in poverty and eat grass? Thats pretty much all thats left that didnt go bankrupt.

[funkykeyboard]

The capitalist acts in his own interest, which helps the people. Thats why the poor are not starving as they did in many of the now collapsed socialist economies, Or eating grass in the dark in a cold poverty stricken dwelling. Your window cleaner is a free market capitalist. He IS the people. And everyone like him. And around and around we go and you will never understand it because you dont know how to think or because you dont want to. On purpose.

I sometimes question your ability to read, as I have to have said a thousand times capitalism is the greatest method of organising society there has ever been. You don't remember me saying that?

My problem is;
past performance is no guarantee of future returns

And the obvious problems ignoring science logic and rationale in favour of worshipping the unseen hand of the market, which can be distorted by "perceived needs", and the dictatorship of money.

I don't think you will be able to understand what I'm saying, you are too wedded to thinking inside your box mate. You don't seem to have any kind of inkling yet that I'm NOT arguing in favour of what you call socialism, I am totally against what you perceive as socialism, even though I've explained this to you many many many times.

I argue in favour of one thing, democracy. A democracy in which there would be NO government, except that exercised by the people for the people.

[Burgerman]

I agree democracy. But not a no government democracy, one as we have it now.

[funkykeyboard]

And thats WAY less than all the collapsed poor places that are now bankrupt. And we have a better living standard - especially for the poor - than all of those failed socialist experiments that ran in over 100 places across much of the world for a century. So your argument is rediculous.

If you all love socialism so much why dont you all move to a socialist success like north korea or cuba or venuzuala. And live in poverty and eat grass? Thats pretty much all thats left that didnt go bankrupt.

instead of fighting straw men why don't you actually read what people have said, and answer that?

Democracy, not socialism, democracy. Nothing more nothing less. Democratic control over humanity's future.

[Burgerman]

We have democracy.