Win 10 LTSC - ?

[Burgerman]

As soon as covid is over market forces will garantee that prices will drop. Prices are so high that making graphics cards is now very profitable! So many will ramp up production to make $$$ and that very production will cause prices to drop. Supply and demand. Capitalism doing its thing.

[expresso]

Guess what - its working !!!

booted up fine first try - installed Win and office 2019 - all activated -

installed my programs - few adjustments here and there - got my shortcuts on my desktop for the programs i use -

made a few images - one after i installed the OS - 2nd after all the rest was installed

drivers all installed from MB website -

bios was saved also - i guess i could restore it if needed ?

there was an option to save - so i saved the original one it came with -

updated it - and saved the latest one also

this thing is SO QUIET - i didnt think it was working at all - if not for the led lights i added - i wouldnt know - as i expected - i am either missing the case connector for the case led light - or its buried in the wires and i didnt see - thats the only thing not working - i will check it tomorrow when i add the rest of the drives and start using it full time - put the old system to a fresh OS - to give away to one my girls here - for her kid

there is one thing i am not sure of - the memory - its 3600 - but i dont think its showing up as such - i enabled XMP mode in the bios - it shows it enabled 3600 - but the first bios page still shows it at stock speed - and i believe CPU Z also shows it stock - its a bit confusing - i am not sure its running at 3600

i have to figure that out - i must be doing something wrong - with that - other than that - its done - solid - nice and so quiet - its scary

[expresso]

i guess its correct then

it shows it correct here - i guess in the bios first page shows ram speed as stock - but in advanced - XMP is enable and shows it 3600

[Burgerman]

Mines been totally silent (even the power supply) for 8 years now. Welcome to the modern world.

[Burgerman]

Now you need to find out why its at 4ghz and wasting 2% CPU at idle.

[steves1977uk]

Mine sits at 800MHz idle, under 0.50% CPU usage. Guess it's some program or background service expresso has running.

Steve

[steves1977uk]

Don't forget to install the latest chipset drivers expresso... https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets ... t-am4/b550

Helps with performance and security.

Steve

[expresso]

i dont see any download link there - i picked chipset - am4 - 550 and no download link

i installed the ones from the MB website -

[expresso]

got it - for some reason firefox was holding it up - installing them now - i believe i have already - but didnt get them from the AMD site - MB site

either way done

[steves1977uk]

Trouble with MB website driver downloads is that they're mostly older versions and not always up to date. Snappy Driver Installer Origin would be better for you as that has all the latest drivers every few weeks.

Steve

[expresso]

it has a ton of stuff there - have to search to find the right one - easy to make mistakes

i got it from the AMD website

[expresso]

Trouble with MB website driver downloads is that they're mostly older versions and not always up to date. Snappy Driver Installer Origin would be better for you as that has all the latest drivers every few weeks.

Steve

i see it - i was doing it and letting install but it was taking for ever and couldnt do other stuff so i stopped it - will start it tomorrow again - it scans the whole system correct ? reached 87 percent and didnt move for the longest - i had to stop it

[Burgerman]

It DOWNLOADS a whole pack of drivers - around 25GB at the moment if thats what you mean. And then shows you whats out of date, whats missing, whats newer, whats a better match, etc etc. And YOU decide what it installs. Works very wel as long as you use a little common!

Then it checks what drivers you have or need. And that takes just seconds.

Put the whole folder on your strelec stick.

[expresso]

i have no idea what its doing - its been running reached 87 percent and didnt seem to move from there for a while - so i stopped it unless i am downloading the wrong thing

on that page there are a few downloads - which is it ?

[expresso]

It DOWNLOADS a whole pack of drivers - around 25GB at the moment if thats what you mean. And then shows you whats out of date, whats missing, whats newer, whats a better match, etc etc. And YOU decide what it installs. Works very wel as long as you use a little common!

Then it checks what drivers you have or need. And that takes just seconds.

Put the whole folder on your strelec stick.

about that strelec stick - i really dont know what i am doing with it once i boot into it - i am not firmilar with it and how to run the stuff on it - i ran into a issue on my old system today - for some reason i went to restore to a fresh image i had - and Macurium didnt work - something got hung up - and it never booted -

luckly i had a windows backup make with windows and just used that to recover - then did the restore again worked - i put it back to a fresh OS - - removed my drives and installed them on my new system - so i am all done and using my new system now - i love the size - dont need nothing more than this - if an when at some point a video card - but its fine as is

i notice my video looks better now then it did before - the video from my rides -

[steves1977uk]

expresso, you need to explore the strelec Windows PE. Boot it on your old system and play around with it, as this is the only way you can learn.

Steve

[expresso]

expresso, you need to explore the strelec Windows PE. Boot it on your old system and play around with it, as this is the only way you can learn.

Steve

i agree - explore and play - old system is done - not goin back - one of these days when i feel up to explore - as long as i have my image to restore - windows backup etc, window install to repair if needed - have boot menu for Macurium - one of those will have to work if it came down to that

[Burgerman]

>>>i agree - explore and play - old system is done - not goin back

Then put the old graphics card into your new build for now untill you get a 3080 0r 3090. Or maybe a 4080 by then. So you have some 3d capability.

[expresso]

why would i want that card - when my new chip has on board graphics which is at the very least the same as the old card if not slightly better

my videos look better now then they did on my old card - - when prices come down to what they should be - i may get one -

or may not - i dont really need it - but i like to get it only if the cost is good - 3060 is a sweet spot - cost and performance

which would be a great deal better than the card and my on board graphics also -

[Burgerman]

why would i want that card - when my new chip has on board graphics which is at the very least the same as the old card if not slightly better

Is it? I wouldnt have thought so. Why (in what way) does the video look better?

Plug in and do a few benchmarks with and without. You may be very surprized.

[expresso]

looks smoother less grainy - the videos i do with the chair camera - those are the ones i am referring too -

i can remove the card and save it - for another time - to install and try it - not in rush to do it now - dont see the need or benefit -

you can google it - they are more or less on the same level - so whats the point of adding the card to gain nothing - its much cleaner look in the case this way - i may do it one day down the line - if i have to open it again the case for something else - i can add it then -

[Burgerman]

I agree you may be correct. But a benchmark or 3 will tell you. Shame to throw away performance.

[expresso]

i guess - i can remove the card and save it -

i was going to just give it away with the card - but maybe i remove the card just in case - but i wont be going crazy over it and not going to open it up again just to add the card - its clean and neat on my desk - not ready to unplug and open again just yet

i may try it later one day - i do plan to remove the cooler to change the paste i added - i may have added a bit much - maybe - not sure - so i may try a different paste - if and when i do that - i can add it then - dosnt hurt i guess at least keeping it


does look cool though - led lights are not very bright - just a nice glow - one on the bottom - one on top - my room is very warm - so i feel the temps are a bit high haha - here we go again - i am not worried but makes me think if i added a bit too much paste - or it just how it is - based on my room temps - which is most likely correct -

i hit 84C full load all cores while converting - handbrake etc, files - given my warm room - not alot of cool air for the computer - seems Ok -

[steves1977uk]

84c is fine, no need to keep stressing over temps! When you apply thermal compound, use a thin layer that covers the entire surface area of the CPU.

Thermal pastes are pretty much the same these days, there's a 1-2c difference between cheap and expensive ones.

Steve

[Burgerman]

Its as intended. If its NOT hotter than your room, then it cannot loose any heat can it.

Does your room get 16 degrees hotter than now?
If it does, and if you run synthetic benchamarks or spend all day recoding movies, you still wont lose any performance. If you room gets 30 degrees hotter, you will die, but then you might find it throttles very slightly if you try to make it...

Its fine. If you add too much paste it just wastes some and squeezes out. If you really want it to run cooler for 99% of the time configure the power saving and voltages and frequencies properly so it runs at a few hundred mhz when its not being used. So it throttles properly. And configure windows properly so it does not have hundreds of things running in the background. And disable all the unwanted services etc etc. That does more good than any fancy coolers, delidding and all the rest.

[expresso]

my room is pretty warm - can be hot at times - even when i use the AC - i get cold but not sure it reaches the PC much before i turn it off because i am cold -

its fine - not worried - its all configured to power save already - there is some more i can do in the bios - but that is for another time when i learn more about each item in the bios

AMD is very different than intel so i have to really understand each item i want to adjust first -

i though maybe i added a bit too much - i may try to replace paste or maybe go to water cool down the line - if it gets closer to 95C

disabled services etc, thats another subject also - not going to do anything yet - till i know how to do it and keep it disabled etc,

processes etc, it works fine now - i leave it alone - the other issue i have with the case is the power button - well now its a shorter case - i have more room on top of it - and my cat decides she likes it also - turns it on in the middle of the night -

i have to flip the switch on the PSU now - is that a problem if i turn the PSU off each night and back on when i use it ?

if so - i may have to use the external cable for the power switch instead of the case button on top

[greybeard]

Why turn it off at night? As for the cat, a coil of razor wire on the top should fettle it.

[steves1977uk]

expresso, you can configure the BIOS so you can turn the PC on via the keyboard or mouse. I have mine set up so you just tap the spacebar to turn it on, on another one I have CTRL+Esc to power it up.

This was even possible on your old Z77 board. It doesn't harm to turn off the PSU at night, but generally they like to be left on to avoid possible spikes causing damage to it.

Steve

[Burgerman]

Ditto, but its on 24/7 regardless. Wen it sleeps it draws around 2 watts. Its confgured to wake on network activity or remote desktop. So if I need files, or need to connect from the bed or the pub it just fires up in a couple of secs. And goes to sleep if I am not using it.

[expresso]

i will look at the options - keyboard or mouse can work - or i just turn PSU off at night - or run the cable for the power in the rear -

i looked briefly - i didnt see about using keyboard or mouse etc, to turn it on or off - i have to look again -