Zip Files Videos ?

[expresso]

i always though when you zip a file or video - it would be much compressed - so it takes less space etc,

i have a 17 Gig video - wanted to email someone in China - they cant see youtube there - so i figure i Zip it and send-

but its still 17 Gig after i zip it ?

what am i doing wrong -

was not able to email it with such a large file

[Burgerman]

Because your video file is already compressed. When you recode a movie which you said you did all the time, the entire purpose was to take a full uncompressd huge movie file, and recode or transcode it by changing the amount of video frame size and mostly by compressing each frame in the same way you do when you take a tiff/bitmap etc and save as jpg file and choose the amount of compression. Your movie is then made from thousands of already compressed (zipped and usually lower quality lossy images like jpg's) but smaller than the original.

So you cant compress an already compressed file...

You can rip it to a lower quality smaller file. You can upload it to a free file transfer server. You can see it in china if you use a common free vpn. And a bunch of other things. You CANT email it! Email is designed for small sub 10mb files.

[expresso]

i see - so many of my videos are processed some -

that means i cant zip it to make a smaller video file ?

unless i am not doing it correctly

[Burgerman]

When you processed those movies why did you do so?

When I do it I take large uncompressed DVD or other high res high quality movies and I rip/transcode/or whatever you want to call it, to make them SMALLER by using formats that COMPRESS the images and I choose settings that are the best balance of output size and image quality. What are you doing?

How on earth are you getting 17GB files???

ZIP files are lossless. They cannot compress your already compressed movie. Even if you incorrectly transcoded it and ended up with it at 17GB.

[expresso]

its one of my videos from riding - sometimes its even more than 17 gig

i do that for youtube to upload and make a smaller overall file - to save also -

[Burgerman]

You are saving lossless super high quality movies. You can compress those by 90 percent and see absolutely no difference. What format are you saving them as in your camera? Use a format that compresses the video. Theres no quality difference that is remotely relevant that anyone can see unless you are working for a film company.

Its like JPG images. I can save 2 the exact same size at 6000 x 4000 pixels. And one can be 1MB. The other can be 25MB. And its almost impossible to tell apart. Below 1MB I start to see compression artifacts.

[Dan]

Are you able to e-mail a 17GB file? 17GB is a very large file. You could encode the video again? Down to 720P with a lower bitrate, 1.5GB per hour H264 is not that bad.
You can split large files up with zip into smaller parts, when its unzipped it will combine again.
Some Chinese people use a VPN to access YouTube. This would have to be paid for.

If you upload your video to YouTube they will compress it for you, then just download your own video from YouTube.

[expresso]

i cant email a large 17 gig file either - maybe it would go to my google online server to do so but wasnt working and i rather not do it that way either


i can recode it and compress it down - didnt think of that - but how small can i go before its just useless to watch - to email it - it has to be very small

oh well i guess i wont be able to send it then - China is bad - they cant do nothing and cant even say it

[expresso]

i dont know how to split a video file up with Winrar ?

that would be the only way i think - but has to be alot of splits - never tried or done that before -

i think to email - cant be more than 25meg - thats nothing - maybe i wont be able to do it

[Burgerman]

Your 17GB fili will look fine at around 700MB if you use a good compression algorythm with correct settings. Thats the whole point of it. But nobody bothers today because hard drive became huge and cheap and most cameras and most movies are already compressed at source. So rpping movies to fit on a 700mb CD (ALSO now confined to the bin) is something I never did in a decade. I have tiny micro SD cards that hold a terrabite. I have 3 that hold 512GB. I have 8TB hard disks. So in todays world things like your handbrake are pointless.

If you want your chinese freind to watch a yourtube vid, use a (free) VPN.
Or upload it to a file share service (also free)... Like this one. https://bayfiles.com/ Anything up to 20GB. theres hundreds of them.

[expresso]

i can try the file sharing - but it depends if China allows someone there to access it

if it works - then i can redo some videos to keep them under 20 gig -

i let you know how that works out

thanks

how do you use that thing ? file hosting - i clicked up load - i added my video and nothing happens

[Burgerman]

Because you have no patience. 17GB will take many hours to upload. Its a monstster file, completely unnessasary. Thats why a VPN or some idea how to recode a movie to a sensibe size is required.

[expresso]

i didnt use the 17 gig file -

i used another video 7 gig only


i click upload pick the video and thats it

i dont see anything moving or any indication of anything hapening

[expresso]

i see a small green process bar now

must be my internet upload speed is slow - compared to my download speed

sometime next year i am going to switch to Verizon fiber network and get 300 up and down both ways same speed - for same price i pay now -

[Burgerman]

No its because you are doing something rediculous! Theres absolutely no sane reason that the file need be even a quarter of that size. I could make it say 700MB and high quality before uploading. And Iwould have configured the camera to use compression and save a smaller sized file to begin with.

A 3 hour HD movie should be around 1GB if its done properly.

[Dan]

7GB is still pretty big. A one 720P one hour video downloaded from YouTube will be smaller than 1GB and still look OK. Your friend in China might have a slow connection unless he lives in a first tier city.
File sharing sites may also be blocked.

Chinky YouTube https://www.youku.com/ if he has opens an account there you can login and upload your videos. But you will then be hacked by the CCP.

[Burgerman]

You bought a fancy new computer. Now use it to rip that 7GB movie to a high quality 720P 700MB version. If you do it correctly then it should fit on a CD... And be just as good watch unless you use a magnifying glass. Then it will upload 10x faster.

[expresso]

its not mission critical here -

i have many videos - large ones - not going to redo them all down to 700mb - the 7 gig file is going -

and this may not even work over there - just testing it - if they get it in china and can see it - then i see about some others

its still uploading now

what happens when its done uploading there ?

[expresso]

You bought a fancy new computer. Now use it to rip that 7GB movie to a high quality 720P 700MB version. If you do it correctly then it should fit on a CD... And be just as good watch unless you use a magnifying glass. Then it will upload 10x faster.

i can do that - i can do much more also - but its not the point - not going to downsize all my videos to share it that way - the 7 gig is moving along - and now i have to actually log off - so maybe its a waste to have started it -

there is no indication of when it will end or what happens after etc, you just have watch it and see whats next -

may try it again Next year

[steves1977uk]

Vidcoder is a good program for resizing videos to get the file size down without losing too much quality. Here.. https://github.com/RandomEngy/VidCoder/releases

Steve

[expresso]

thanks - i play around with it later - no matter how small i get it - wont be small enough to send in email - but can be better to upload to the file sharing thing

if they can even use it there the file sharing -

[Burgerman]

If they had any clue they would just use a VPN and theres many free ones. And watch it on utube...

[greybeard]

If they had any clue they would just use a VPN and theres many free ones. And watch it on utube...

That's easy to say in a country like ours, but perhaps it's not quite as simple in a totalitarian and oppressive state like the PRC that has full control over Internet access
and content.

[expresso]

its not easy for them - and they cant talk about it on line in email or text - they are being watched monitored much more than we are here -

[Burgerman]

Thats EXACTLY why many use a VPN... Same in north korea, and anyplace controlled. Because thats the only way that they can access non controlled internet anonymously.

[expresso]

Thats EXACTLY why many use a VPN... Same in north korea, and anyplace controlled. Because thats the only way that they can access non controlled internet anonymously.

yes but there is a risk for them i am sure in doing so -

they will start monitoring how many video games they play - if too many they get a strike against them - something to that nature - of if they stay out late or too often etc. its really bad there - and not getting better

[Burgerman]

They cant monitor anything at all with a VPN. Including knowing if you play any video games. The legality for them using one is a grey area - technically against the rules. But not for business purposes. But they cant block VPN sites because to do so would prevent them doing business with the rest of the world too.

[Burgerman]

Even in this country tens of thousands of sites are blocked by law. And just as many web site owners block countries. But my VPN means non of that affects me. And no government body or anyone else can see who or what I see or do.

[greybeard]

No doubt we all HOPE that is true - but how could we ever KNOW.

The best we can hope for is that VPN companies tell us the truth. We have absolutely no way of proving that they do.

We have no way of knowing what information they hold in their systems. No way of knowing if any of it is ever shared, voluntarily or otherwise. Other than what they tell us.

Although I use a VPN, not that I need one, I am not that trusting of any advertising that I personally cannot prove to be factual.

[Burgerman]

No doubt we all HOPE that is true - but how could we ever KNOW.

You cant know ANYTHING for sure, as any scientist or anyone that understands the way logic works will tell you. Everything is a balance of probabilities. When my VPN sell me a service based on their published claim to never log anything, never keep logs or data about you, then that forms a large part of the contract that we agreed when I pay. If that turns out to be untrue, even once, most of their customers would sue them. Not all VPNs are equal. Mine is one of the biggest and is the best.

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