More AMD issues...

[steves1977uk]

This time fTPM... https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comm ... ing_issue/

Why is it AMD nearly always have issues with their firmware/drivers? Seems to me they need better programmers and improved QC.

Steve

[Burgerman]

On the other hand I dont use it, or want it so its turned off in bios. My new board has a on board TPM2 plugged into it. So doesent use the cpu as a fake one anyway. So do both my laptops. That fTPM is just a workaround for win 11 so it complies. You dont need it. If you WANT TPM2 then you should just buy the plug in module.

On the plus side I just snagged myself a "used" nVidia 3090... At a silly price. As new. And I already ordered the 2 waterblocks for that too! Full cover nickel/plexi on the low side, and a full cover nickel active water cooled backplate too. Those cards take 320watts before overclocking! A bit mental.

So now I have the dream team.
A motherboard that has Dynamic Overclock switching so normally impossible best possible all core overclock plus, AND the advanced auto single core overclock optimization at the same time). The Crosshair fanless Dark Hero VIII and the best bios in the business.
A lot of fast memory...
The 16 core 5.1ghz 32 thread 5950X with full cover nickel/plexi waterblock that is modular and covers all the power stages as well as CPU.
And now the fastest double water cooled GPU in the business.
And a bunch of 2TB nvme gen 4.0 7GB per second SSDs...

[Burgerman]

Backplate

[Burgerman]

Because this:


youtu.be/ToTWaZtGOj8

[Burgerman]

And this is the opposite side, for the GPU/mosfets etc.


youtu.be/0WVpW497vTU

[steves1977uk]

Those EK Waterblocks look nice and a great way to save space. Was reading the 3090Ti can pull up to 1200watts! That would need a beefy PSU. And that's over half of what a US 120v outlet can draw. Not a problem for us UK PC users and the rest of the world.

Steve

[Gnomatic]

This time fTPM... https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comm ... ing_issue/

Why is it AMD nearly always have issues with their firmware/drivers? Seems to me they need better programmers and improved QC.

Steve

Well, FWIW, I was trying to help out a kid yesterday with an Intel system. (11000 series CPU and B560 motherboard chipset) He upgraded to Win 11 and now one of his games won't play. It crashes on launch with a TPM 2.0 error. We tried all the BIOS "fixes" we could find but none worked. The only solution I could find that fixes the issue for most is to roll back to Win 10.

I'm not saying this is Intel's fault necessarily, as the game developer might need to issue an update.(although they insist its not a problem on their end)

My point is I've read about several Win 11/TPM 2.0 issues people are having, and have now had first hand experience with one myself. (still on Win 10 here)

[Burgerman]

The best windows is the win10 LTSC. I tried 11 and cant stick it. It triesto force that awful browser on you in embeded links etc, and 101 other things.

[steves1977uk]

Might try installing Win 11 on my 11th Gen build and see if it crashes when launching a game. I'm thinking it's a Win11 bug, although people have reported it happening on Win10 too with latest updates.

Edit: It also happens with a discrete TPM2.0 module too if installed, as reported by a user on AMD's reddit page... https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/s ... /?sort=new

Win10 LTSC rules!

Steve

[Burgerman]

I suspect that most of these problems are user error. Having looked at a great many other peoples computers and seen how misconfigured they all are I am surprised theres not way more problems.

Edit: It also happens with a discrete TPM2.0 module too if installed

One user guessing that he has this problem? Out of many millions of other possible causes? Dont believe it.

[steves1977uk]

Fully agree!, a PEBKAC issue with that lot on reddit BM.

Steve

[Burgerman]

Every computer I ever examine has 1001 different things all either running or ready to run via the scheduler many times a day. Some of these take a short time of high cpu, causing a hard working game to freeze or drop a bunch of frames unexpectedly. This is not the computers problem its because the users never configure them properly. This doesent hapen to mine. EVERYTHING is carefully configured to only do what I decide. And if its scheduled as many windows processes are, they run at logon, or at 4am. NOT while I am using it.

[Burgerman]

You dont fancy doing a full blown water loop setup then? My last one was up and running, no dirt or corrosion for many years. Never needed a refil or anything. Because I filled it with ford motorcraft antifreeze. In car engines we have steel, alloys, brass, copper etc all over the place mixed. So antifreeze is packed with corrosion inhibitors. So is SOME of the purpose made stuff like Cryochill, etc. Its still red and clear after 10 years in a car engines system. And it is too in a simple waterloop. Those dummies mostly using distilled water are getting corrosion issues, needing to change water every 6 months etc.

[steves1977uk]

I would if I could use my hands BM! My only option is to buy an AIO. I always wondered why Jaytwocents had to flush and refill his reservoir, now it makes sense! Obviously he's never tried antifreeze.

Steve

[Burgerman]

In the event that I ever did get any corrosion on my (now 3x Ek) waterblocks, all which are copper, plated with nickel, I can re nickelplate them in 10 mins!

DIY hard shiny nickel plating is simple at home. Note before and after coins...

When you have a power supply on your bench it seems rude not to add a tank with some nickel plates/electrolyte in it.

[Burgerman]

I would if I could use my hands BM! My only option is to buy an AIO. I always wondered why Jaytwocents had to flush and refill his reservoir, now it makes sense! Obviously he's never tried antifreeze.

Steve

The "well understood wisdom" by all the "experts" that teach one another all over the web is to never mix metals as all kinds of shit will happen. They say NEVER use alloy water block and copper radiators. Or the other way around. And only use copper with nickel plated parts. And then all will be well.

They never seem able to explain how an all in one with aluminium alloy radiator and a copper cooler/pump seems to live completely corrosion free - like the 6 year old one on my PC at the moment though. Because they cant see inside! So they dont think about it. Its just corrosion inhibitor/water as used in your central heating system. Fernox inhibitor. I recognise its smell. So like antifreeze, the water contains corrosion inhibitors. So no problem!

I used an aluminium oxygen bottle underground, wth a brass water block. And chromed fittings. It ran unchanged and several computer upgrades totally clean and corrsion free for at least a decade. Antifreeze...

[Arima]

I would consider a water cooler if I could teach it to make coffee. Please just let the world return to some sanity on 5yr old graphics cards. A 4gb 1050 is still hard to touch under $200 with shipping. For another $50 you can find a 3gb 1060, and for another $50 a 6gb 1060. It's always another $50...

Besides throwing throwing it all in the trash and starting over what gpu makes sense today to pair with an i7-4770...something that will drive a 120hz monitor.

[Burgerman]

It depends. 120HZ isnt really the problem. The resolution is everything.

The reason I am upgrading at all isnt because I need a 32 thread 5.1ghz monster raving CPU. Or because I need a lot of plumbing for the fun of it!

Its because a couple of years back I threw away my 2x Dell 32 inch proffesional monitors. After testing a 55 inch OLED samsung TV -- as a huge 4k OLED PC monitor. After that, the perfect blacks, infinite contrast, absolute no colour change at any angle, and super vibrant deep colours there was no way that it was ever going back!

Then the new MS Flight sim came out. Now heres the thing. You need a nVidia 3080 Ti, or 3090, on a 4k screen with that super advanced flight sim to get 60fps. AND the fastest current CPU and decent fast memory, just to get close to 60 frames per sec... That may sound crazy but its true. And I Love my flight sims... So ££££££!

Also home 3D printing, with METAL is becoming affordable at home. Within a couple of years I will have one. Then solid modeling etc will need all those cores. So I decided to do an upgrade and build a monster. That monster NEEDS better cooling than a wimpy AIO. The ryzen 9, 5950X draws 240 watts when overclocked well. The Graphics card needs another FOUR HUNDRED Watts!!! It NEEDS therefore enough radiators to dump around 600+ watts total. As mental as that sounds.

In your case the super fast 3090 I now have here would be wasted with your CPU at least on 1080p or 1440p as the game would have so high frame rate that it would become CPU limited. So it makes no sense to fit a monster GPU card.

What it boils down to is WHY you want to upgrade and what resolution you expect to use this card on. A 3060 is fine and way, way, cheaper and unless you want to do 4K gaming it is adequate. Those dont need monster CPUs. Horses for courses as they say.

[steves1977uk]

I would consider a water cooler if I could teach it to make coffee. Please just let the world return to some sanity on 5yr old graphics cards. A 4gb 1050 is still hard to touch under $200 with shipping. For another $50 you can find a 3gb 1060, and for another $50 a 6gb 1060. It's always another $50...

Besides throwing throwing it all in the trash and starting over what gpu makes sense today to pair with an i7-4770...something that will drive a 120hz monitor.

I have the Xeon 1275L V3 CPU in my mini server PC. Still a decent CPU today and the highest graphics card you could pair with it would be a 2080Ti or RX590. Any PCIe gen 4 cards would be a waste.

Steve

[Burgerman]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/NVIDIA-GeForce ... 7116466367

Check the price they are going for used!
You could get a 3060 or 3070 which has the fancy learning AI scaling built in. DLSS? So that it can run most games at a higher res by using nvidias upscaling for the same price.

[Arima]

This is the deep end of the pool for me...way over my head. Thanks for responding. My family bought me a Sony Bravia which list the resolution of 3840 x 2160. The game play was amazing with the 1030 gpu. But I had to disconnect it because I was playing it to much. Started to worry about getting sores. So I moved the pc to a small cart with a very old viewsonic VA2226w which list an optimum resolution of 1680x1050, and only play when I am laying on my belly. Definitely not elegant but excellent therapy for my ass. The only game I play today is a multiplayer tank game with most settings on low. I don't know how to describe the visual but I am 100% it can be improved. One factor that could contribute is the need for internet with a multiplayer type game.

Now I want to play other games..and simulators. But I need to sit up straight when trying to learn new software. So this second pc (the 4770) is targeted for the 55in Sony mentioned above. What I would like to do is some benchmarking...try to put some numbers on what is happening to my systems. Downloaded cinebench but haven't learned to use it yet. Took me a couple days to get the ssd installed with LTSC. My thinking is to benchmark performance using a game that runs standalone without internet once it's downloaded. Tried Flightgear (cause it is free) but my plane does unnatural things in my opinion. Like immediately dipping a wing on takeoff slamming me into the ground. Part of it is me but I think there is more going on. Is there a decent (stable) flight sim that I can count on to run well on an older system like mine? Can MS Simulator be turned down? Don't need all the bells and whistles right now...just a solid baseline I can use to judge performance. Sorry for the windy post. I'm trying to figure out 2 things at the same time....identify good software and measure hardware. One thing at a time would be better I think. Need a better plan of attack!

I have the Xeon 1275L V3 CPU in my mini server PC. Still a decent CPU today and the highest graphics card you could pair with it would be a 2080Ti or RX590. Any PCIe gen 4 cards would be a waste.Steve

Good to know...my thought is to move up to a budget gpu with a 128 bit memory bus...the 1030 I have now is 64 bit I believe. No idea how much memory the gpu should have? 4gb seems to be popular.

Do I really need to step up to a 2080 just to get a solid gaming/simulator experience? Had not thought about this from a resolution standpoint. I guess 1080p would be my goal if some asked.

[Arima]

Should have mentioned I'm also looking for a new 32in display...under $300 if possible.

[Burgerman]

Again, it ONLY depends on resolution. If you want native 4k gaming nothing less than a 3080Ti or 3090 can do this. Depending on game. Im looking at MS fligt sim and it drops to 37 fps even with a 3090 in cities etc. So a 10xx card wouldnt get close! A 2080 still wouldnt.

In order to be able to make this work at 4k at all on any lesser card you would need eiher a game written to take advantage of upsampling (so the card works at 1440 and then upscales the result to 4K to then display on screen. This works pretty well, but not as good as native resolution.

That doesent work in MS Flight sim till the end of 22. But it does work on many games.

See here for DLSS games and then you just need a card that can do DLSS! https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/technologies/dlss/

FULL list of DLSS capable cards in reverse order of performance. A 2080 is the minimum you should go for here on 4k.


GeForce RTX 2060
GeForce RTX 2060 Super
GeForce RTX 2060 12GB
GeForce RTX 2070
GeForce RTX 2070 Super
GeForce RTX 2080
GeForce RTX 2080 Super
GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
Nvidia Titan RTX
GeForce RTX 3060
GeForce RTX 3060 Ti
GeForce RTX 3070
GeForce RTX 3070 Ti
GeForce RTX 3080
GeForce RTX 3080 Ti
GeForce RTX 3090

[steves1977uk]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165309772735 ... SwNx9h98YL Should be £300 at most for a low end card. I tend to go for a 256-bit memory bus as a minimum, since bus width plays a big part. A 64-bit wide bus can starve the GPU for data, as the RX 6500XT has shown recently. So always try and get a card with a 192-bit memory bus at least, wider is better though.

Steve

[Burgerman]

3050 wont run even 1440p never mind 4k properly. Take a look.
https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/nvidia-gef ... 0ghz/ultra

Although I agree its good for the price. But gaming at 1440 around 40 to 50 fps sucks bad... 1080p? Shold be great. But does anyone run 1080 today?

[Burgerman]

The cheapest new card that can reliably do 120fps and only at a low 1080p, would be the 1660 Ti https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N824KNV

[Arima]

Good information. You guys are in a higher league than I am. Going to hold off buying for a few days and study ebay auctions...hopefully prices will drop. Does anybody prefer Display Port over HDMI these days. If I understand correctly all current HDMI 2.0 devices can now be labeled as HDMI 2.1. Just to muddy the waters a bit more for consumers. As if buying a gpu is not confusing enough already.

I think as I gain experience in game play the desire for higher end graphics will grow too. At first I'm just happy to be playing...and not dying within the first 45 seconds of a match. I see MS sim is on sale for a couple bucks off on Steam. Some day I'm going to land without bouncing. And put my radio to use.

[Burgerman]

Display port is a PC standard. And it does basically the same things/resoluion and colour depth etc as HDMI 2.1. Which is a TV standard. And the designers of each dont really talk to each other... Its not just a different connector but a different protocol.

TVs offer better resoluion, 4 and even 8k, bigger sizes and often better colours, and built in quality sound compared to traditional monitors. For less money. And have a TV built in! So many people are now using these instead. My 55inch LG 4K OLED TV is my desktop monitor. It has a tiny 1ms delay. Because OLED'S. But it only does 60fps. Thats enough for things like flight sims. And many gamers. Its smooth enough for anything except very competitive gaming. And no delay.

HDMI 2.0 Doesnt allow adequate colours or 4k etc. Thats useless. Avoid.

Most graphics cards today also have an HDMI 2.1 out (or 2) as well as display ports. Its essential to have HDMI as gaming or using a TV as I do as a PC monitor is now common. And that needs HDMI. Also in the future you may want to use VR set and again HDMI 2.1 is needed.

[Arima]

Flying a sim is much more complicated than I ever imagined. Controlling the vehicle aside...where do you go?

I notice that during the day while working on other projects, I like a quick tank battle as a brief break. Sort of an adrenaline rush. When I go back to whatever I was working on before I have a boost in energy. Focusing for several hours piloting a commercial aircraft across the US doesn't yet appeal to me. I can't afford that amount of time sitting on my butt when I should be productive on other projects. Where do you go?

[Burgerman]

I use it for practice with my radio control transmitter for landings, etc. And when nothing better to do I travel the world in 4K and look at other cities, etc. Take a look at the realism, and the actual live dats such as actual other real aircraft etc. And yes you can waste hours traveling across the planet in commercial planes too. If you want to learn how all of their actual systems, work. The latest physicas and aerodynamics are really very real. Thats why it takes a industrial shit load of processing power in the form of the worlds fastest CPUs, and preferably many cores and a 1500 quid grahics card and around 700 watts of heat!