Ukraine

[expresso]

yes i seen that - hope they dont get killed now

the next few days will see if they will stop and start talking how to end it

UKraine is willing to not to enter into NATO - that should but a pause on this - but i am sure he wont leave the same Gov. in place - he will put his own Gov. there thats russian sides with him - or else what did he achieve - not much

the whole world should stop doing bussiness with russia and consider changing the gov. there - thats a big step for sure - - it wont happen from outside - but from inside would be the best way

[expresso]

i guess he made a point and the whole world is watching -

they know what they already knew about it - now whos got the balls to put an end to Russia Gov - the russian people dont want this either -

[Gnomatic]

Germany, Hungary, and Italy are blocking the EU from issuing the harshest of sanctions on Russia.

[expresso]

yeah thats a shame - but they rely on there gas - they should still do it -

all of Europe should get gas and other things from anyone else but russia - and not only for short time - for ever for good - everyone has to cut ties with them just like North Korea - and Iran - while we sleep - tomorrow we will know if they took over the capital there or killed there president and family

[Burgerman]

Heres how stupid our goverment is.
As an island we are surrounded by oil, gas fields. Gas = Bad... Oil = bad. Aparently the world is being destroyed by CO2 . And the UK has shut down all our coal, and most of our gas and has not opened any new gas/oil feilds and refused licences for research to map out new supplies for 2 decades. So now we have to buy oil and gas from accross the planet at crazy cost, with no energy security.

We had 15 nuclear power stations. Many have been shut down, end of life, and ALL will be closed by 2025. Thats 3 years away. 3 are closing this year. Because green idiots dont like nuclear either.

So that means we dont actually make enough electricity, have enough gas, or oil, and buy all 3 fro other countries. Green nonsense caused all of this.

We have 200 years worth of cheap gas available by fracking. The samme green idiots wont have that either! So fracking banned by government.

So now the same government wants us to buy electric cars, with all petrol and deisel banned from sale, and literally taxed off the roads by 2025. Including 8 to 15 pounds per day to drive in towns and cities on top because of "clean air zones". And then gas central heating banned from 2030. Yet these same green idiots cant tell us what is to replace fossil fuel. Intermittent windmills certainly cant do it. And they ave no alternative.

[Vitolds]

Unfortunately, not all Russian people understand that war is bad, that Putin is a dictator. It's terrible what he does.
Putin now looks like a monkey with a nuclear button.

[expresso]

from what i see here - Most Russian people do not agree with this war and dont want war with Ukraine - its the Gov. thats bad - and bringing Russia back wards -

we all know we cant believe our Gov. 100% any country really - it would be nice if Gov. did want the people want and whats best for the people -

war is bad for everyone - soilders die - millions of people have to leave there homes - families - its never good - and the innocent people on all sides have to suffer -

the Gov. is fine they have all the peoples money - they wont suffer - they still have a place to sleep warm - food - and the poor people from Ukraine - Russia and elsewhere will suffer-

i dont know the whole history there - i always though the people got along with each other - most speak the same language - i didnt realize Russia and Ukraine didnt get along till one day i was out in Brooklyn Coney island beach - a big Russian area there -

i met another person there one time - he was Russian etc, very nice - wanted to take picture of me with a friends there that time - we talked etc,

didnt think nothing of it - i asked where are you from - russia - Ukriane etc, - he became a different person when i though he was Ukraine - he didnt like them etc went on a little rant about them - i was suprised - didnt know what he was talking about or why he didnt like them

i mentioned it because i recalled a movie i seen with Nicolas Cage - Lord of War - good movie - he was a gun dealer - and i think he was Ukraine in the movie etc,

last year i went back and met another guy russian also - wheelchair user - nice guy - we talked a bit etc, i know here in NY alot of protest in support of Ukraine - actually my last nurse visit i just had - she was Russian lady - she was nice -

bottom line - its not good - War - kills alot of people - innocent both sides - and Govs. are doing it - not that the US is the best in this area either -

the whole world should have and still should stand up and face this - stop it - one way or another - but with Nukes in the picture - not good for mankind -

we humans will kill ourselves with War Nukes - and for what - for power - there wont be nothing left to have power over -

[Vitolds]

Everything is much worse than you can imagine.

[Vitolds]

Of course, no one likes the war, but Putin's actions are supported by the majority of people in Russia.
I think that soon everything should change in the brains of Russians when they begin to bury their children and husbands. A lot of people are dying on both sides.
This is scary.

[Burgerman]

Also stupid. What does russia have to gain by it anyway?

[Vitolds]

I do not know...

[expresso]

i dont think most of the people in russia support this

Putin is not allowing the news to be said - the only news that is shown there is only from stations that report what they are told to report and nothing else

the people are only watching what putin wants you to watch and hear - its not the truth -

you cant believe a person like that - how can you - hes been saying from day one - he has no intention of invading anyone - but has 200,000 troops ready to invade - the whole world can see this - no one believes him - its a matter of time now - even germany had enough and is sending weapons there now -

its only a matter of time - if he continues down this road - that can became a really world war in Europe - that will suck in other nations that have no choice but to fight back now - its crazy - and for nothing really - in the end he will never win - even if he takes Ukraine - i dont get how anyone can defend Putin there - the people there if they really support this is crazy and why do they support Putin

most i feel is out of fear of him rather than really support this war invading a country this way - and most are just brainwashed also - its a common practice of Gov. to do that to there people - all Gov. to some extent do it - but its clear Putin is a killer period - of anyone who dosnt agree with him - his own citizens everyone

i recently had a dentist visit - both girls - both Russians - very nice and they are glad to be out of there - not because they dont like there country there - but because of its Gov. and Putin - out of all the Russians i met here - not many i have to say - but most are have been nice - when i worked long ago - i had a few russians working with me there both nice people -

this wont end well now and in the future - Putin has to figure out how to end it and call it a victory on his part - in reality it wont be a victory - he just buried himself and isolated his country from the rest of the Europe and the world - closer to North Korea and China - Iran - which the world already knows them well -

it didnt have to be this way at all - lets hope it ends soon the fighting at least -

[expresso]

I do not know...

how are you affected there by this ? are you safe where you are ?

i cant imagine how this is for wheelchair users - in the middle of a war -

[Burgerman]

Hes in the US.

[expresso]

oh ok didnt know - thats good -

i wonder if this is the guy i meet in coney island brooklyn - he was russian wheelchair - and after talking a bit - turns out he lives not far from me in the city - was staying with his brother there for the summer i believe - i forgot his name - i am sure i see him again in the summer i will take a ride there -

i never seen him around here in the city before - to be honest - i hardly see many around here - i know we have alot of chair users -

[Vitolds]

I am now in Russia Moscow

[Vitolds]

Part of the population of Russia is zombified, part of the population is intimidated. Those who want to read other (different) media can do so, there is no problem.
Everything is bad, sad and scary.

[expresso]

Be safe - lets hope it ends soon

[expresso]

they are being cut off from the Swift thing - finally and Germany sending weapons -

i hope its not too late for them - Putin is not happy and wont stop - it would look weak if he did - he may really get out of control and kill everyone there - citizens - ruin the whole country -

if UKraine makes it thur this - they will be stronger than ever and get all the help from all the countries - except China of course -

and i hope they can join NATO after - everyone needs security - and that comes in numbers - Europe is not safe if Putin stays in power running Russia to the ground - he may think hes making it great again - but hes taking it back 50 years 100years - instead he could be a good leader - every leader can be a good leader

wouldnt that be nice -

[Gnomatic]

they are being cut off from the Swift thing

Well the west is making a show of it anyway. The unspoken part about of this round of SWIFT sanctions is there are many loopholes.

[expresso]

yeah like everything else - its a fine line - they kept some banks with finanical ties to keep the oil gas moving to Europe -

they depend on it from russia - wont be easy or done fast enough if he decides to cut it off - anythings possiable - as bad as it sounds - if he makes a move on a NATO country - that can be a good thing -

means we all have to go get involved now - that would save Ukraine - but start a larger war - he wont win but has nukes - best thing would be Ukraine hold there ground -

get more weapons there - make it as hard as you can - if no one stops this - only 50% of troops are in -

hopefully the russian troops also give up and resist putins orders - unlikely -

lets say putin wins and takes over ukraine - he still looses - no one will deal with him - he just made it worse for the russian people

syria - china iran north korea - those are his buddies - - you cant be a nice person with those friends - Syria - we should have bombed them long ago - obama didnt have the balls then -

i never understand why would you want to kill your own people - you dont like the west - our values etc, - thats fine - you dont have to be like the west - but let your people decide choose what they like -

Freedom is a human right no matter who or where you are - i hope when i wake up tomorrow - the news is good and ukraine is still holding there ground alive -

faster germany and who ever can get weapons there - the better before its too late -

[Burgerman]

Freedom is a human right no matter who or where you are

No it isnt. And its something that must be fought to maintain. Most of the planet, inc china, russia, and many smaller places. All places that push the socialist ideal, do not have freedom. Those that do need to fight continually to protect it.

[expresso]

it is a human right - those countries that deny that to there citizens etc, shouldnt be in power -

no Gov. should kill there own - or keep them hostage by denying them human rights - freedom etc, -

the countries that do that - its a shame - but that dosnt make it right they do that -

who wants to live there - in those countries - no one in there right mind would say its a great thing -

Can russians or china - can the citizens leave if they wanted ?

[Burgerman]

Threres nobody handing out human rights. Theres no human right unless by YOUR countries laws or government. Which is why most of the world isnt free. Freedom has to be fought for and protected. Where does your "right" come from? Its a nice ideal. Not everyone agrees though. Like putin. And plenty of others. For example all the socialists and marxists in the world hate freedom and try to destroy yours.

[expresso]

thats correct - the bad guys say it isnt a right

dosnt mean it isnt - it is - your born innocent and free - its disgusting to be treated other wise -

just because the Gov. says no - dosnt mean its correct

what can we do about that - thats the question - i cant imgaine anyone living under those harsh conditions are happy there -

where ever that may be -


if a Russian or a Chinese is not happy there - Can they just leave -? or will there Gov. not allow that ?

why do you want to keep citizens hostage if they want to leave ? anyone should be able to leave if they wanted - in any country -

[expresso]

i am sure everyone loves there country - they may not like there leadership or Gov. but like there country and wish it changes for the better

my parents came here not because anything was wrong in italy etc, but there was no work - it was a better future here in the US -

they came i was only 2 - in italy no work - my father had to travel to swizterland to work for months at a time away from his family and kids

and for little money - coming here gave them a future a -better living - would they have stayed there if there were well off there - i am sure

but not many are - but at least you are able to - get out - you are free - i would think -

corruption - well thats another story and thats everywhere

but its not fair to humans to the people born in there country and then have to live thru this because of one man or a few who have power -

not good - i hope the Russian people one day take over and get rid of that guy - and all of them - wishful thinking -

US and Russian always been enemies - but it seems to be getting a bit better - now forget it - its done - what does that mean going forward

no one knows - its not fair - not right that a few have to screw it up for everyone - many Russians are dying also - and for what - nothing

[Burgerman]

Can they leave? Depends. Theres many chinese and russians including one on this forum that was in the US and now back in russia. So yes.

But your idea of what are your rights when born is just your idea because you live in a reasonably free country. It certainly isnt shared by all. Many loved living under a very restrictive system under a communist all controlling government. Inc my ex girlfreind who grew up with no freedoms in the way you think of them in the former yugoslav republic under Tito.

They like having the goverment controling every aspect of their lives, like a big father figure that tells them where to live, what to do, where they will work, what car they will get, and when, etc. They dont have to think. Some prefer that someone else is responsible for everything. With freedoms like in the UK or USA comes the responsibility of housing, feeding, and working to support yourself. Thats the free market, capitalist, right (wing) conservative/republican way of governing. Hence small governent that allows YOU to do what you like.
Socialism, bidens government, given long enough would turn your country into the old soviet union with big government and many many laws and rules thet control you and remove all your freedoms. That by definition is its aim.

So no, not everyone shares your idea of freedom. Even in the US your freedoms are always being eroded. And you must fight for them. And "FAIRNESS" RIGHTS are personal opinions. Many russians love their over controlling governments, agree with the war, and like to be told what to do by their hero in charge. Just like chinese communist party, or north korea, or even venuzuala. Socialism always ends on complete control, massive government power, and no freedom.

[expresso]

i dont think most Russian citizens agree with this - and dont want war with anyone

my whole life - its always been russians are bad - etc, etc, - but really its there Gov. not the people themselves - yeah some may be - but its all because of there Gov. and brain washing -

corruption - i dont get it - whats the big deal of being powerful - dont you want to be remembered as being Nice to humans and doing better for your country and for the citizens to live a better life - free rich etc,

i would rather be that kind of leader than be remembered as a killer going to war all the time

the Ukraines are pleading with the world for help - they didnt start this - they are being invaded attacked - and killed innocent people - in todays age - this shouldnt happen - everyone should help any country that something like this happens to them

even russian - if they came under attach for no reason - etc, we should help them also - its not right whats happening -

[Burgerman]

Thats because you dont understand the marxist/socialist ideology. Half your county are wanting that. They voted for bidens socialist party. Thats their eventual aim/result. Before this happens the conservatives will replace him and try to undo the damage. Its a continual battle. The socialists have taken over the assylum in russia. And thy are always massively corrupt. So much so that he removes any opposition. They meet with a few problems... They have no viable candidated so he always wins now.

[expresso]

thats insane if anyone likes that from there gov. -

but again if the people want that - ok let it be - but what about the ones that done like that or dont want that - they are forced to accept and cant really leave either -

i know people from Velenzula also - they had to leave to save themselves - they dont agree with that nut -

i agree - we here in the US also have to keep figthing to keep our rights - on so many issues its insane also -

but in general - its better here than many other places for sure - i dont agree with big brother or Gov. controlling us or giving away free everything etc,

it can happen here one day Socialism etc, but not any time soon - at the very least - we change our leaders every 4 years - not like Putin - hes going on 20 years now - thats insane - he does look good though - hasnt aged in 20 years - i wish i knew that secret


if you give someone freedom - then take it away and ask them which do you prefer - i dont think they would not want the freedom

yes freedom comes work also - but there is always help for the poor - etc, better here than in many places - for SURE -

italy wont give me SS income for being disabled - i worked and earned it - if i was in italy - it would be horrible for me - besides nothing is accessible

you dont see italian wheelchair users there - if they are disabled they stuck in there homes - you never see them - if you have enough money - you can live a good life almost anywhere -