Ukraine

[expresso]

if i was in italy - i would not be on my own - not have a 2 bedroom apt in the city - a good area - i would not have home care service - haha - thats a joke

your on your own there - wont have benefits like i have here - wont have 5 chairs - -4 now - all lithium - wont have my audio system - tube amps - speakers

drink my wine - i would be hopeless broke and stuck in a home - unless you are RICH - - i am not rich - not there or here

but i can live a decent life here within my means

[Burgerman]

thats insane if anyone likes that from there gov. -

but again if the people want that - ok let it be - but what about the ones that done like that or dont want that - they are forced to accept and cant really leave either -

Thats the same for you. You are born into a society. That sociey has rules. Rules control your freedom to do as you want. The only difference is different rules. More or less control. more or less freedoms.

i know people from Velenzula also - they had to leave to save themselves - they dont agree with that nut -

Wrong. The people of venuzuala fell for the socialist cuddly story. And VOTED the socialist idiot into power. They CHOOSE to have all the rules, the handouts, the taxing of the rich, the taking of their wealth to give to the poor. The nationalization of their businesses. That allowed wealth redistribution to those that couldnt earn enough. So the poor allowed to live beyond their own means. As you do. As I do. We spend money we have not earned. And produe nothing. But to a much greater degree. The net result is - more socialism, more damage to everything. I predicted it would take 20 years to destroy venuzuala and it took 15.

i agree - we here in the US also have to keep figthing to keep our rights - on so many issues its insane also -
but in general - its better here than many other places for sure - i dont agree with big brother or Gov. controlling us or giving away free everything etc,
it can happen here one day Socialism etc, but not any time soon - at the very least - we change our leaders every 4 years - not like Putin - hes going on 20 years now - thats insane - he does look good though - hasnt aged in 20 years - i wish i knew that secret

But thats the problem. You voted in the socialists. Just like veuzuala did. But they then take their power and do everything to get more votes in he future such as taxing the business and those with money to give to all the rest. Who like this, and so then vote for them in greater numbers. Plus you have all your schools, colleges etc all completely infiltrated with lefty marxist socialist loving brainwashed idiots. Who brainwash the generations. Who also then vote socialist. This means its ever creeping, and likely that in 4, 8, 16 years in power... And thats the end of your freedoms, and living standards just like every socialist country that sticks with it. All of them collapse eventually into desperate poverty and no freedom to do anything about it. And because they are all now super poor they vote for more handouts! So you must fight this nonsense.

if you give someone freedom - then take it away and ask them which do you prefer - i dont think they would not want the freedom

Yet in your own country the population voted socialist...

yes freedom comes work also - but there is always help for the poor - etc, better here than in many places - for SURE -

In order to have the money to help the poor in the first place you MUST allow the free market, low taxation, capitalism, to generate the wealth. And then tax things just enough to help the vulnerable. The socialist way, the politics of envy, tax the rich and their businesses and hand out all the money to the poor. Net result is that you make the poor poorer in the end as nothing remains to generate the wealth. Like venuzuala and every socialist economy. What seems like a good kind caring thing does the exact opposite.

italy wont give me SS income for being disabled - i worked and earned it - if i was in italy - it would be horrible for me - besides nothing is accessible

you dont see italian wheelchair users there - if they are disabled they stuck in there homes - you never see them - if you have enough money - you can live a good life almost anywhere -

Because you live in the most free market capitalist country in the world. That has adequate wealth because of this to actually help the disadvantaged. Vote socialist and wait a couple of decades and you will not have the wealth no matter how well intended. And - venuzuala...

[Vitolds]

Unfortunately, in Russia it is not possible to say and do what the authorities do not like (do not suit). For any statements (not actions!!!) you will be put in jail.
Two days ago, people were arrested just for what they went out into the street (no slogans and inscriptions, no speeches). Those who do not agree with the policy of the dictator are waiting for a prison.
People who wrote a message on social networks "NO WAR" are fired from their jobs! This is not an exaggeration! You can read it yourself, google to the rescue.
Over the past 3-4 years in Russia it has become much worse with "freedom of speech".

[Vitolds]

I have to get better.
Over the past 3-4 years, Russia has become much worse with "freedom of speech", or rather, there is no freedom to say what you want.

[Vitolds]

Guys, I and many people in Russia are very scared for what is happening now, I'm sure that you should also be afraid ...
Here is the order that Putin gave right now:
"I order the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff to transfer the containment forces of the Russian army to a special mode of combat duty"
He's a monkey with a nuclear button!

[Vitolds]

Here is the latest message from the Prosecutor General's Office (the agency that puts people in jail)
Google can translate it.

https://t.me/genprocrf/1719?utm_source= ... um=desktop
I translated for those who did not succeed

It must be taken into account that the provision of financial, logistical, consulting or other assistance to a foreign state, an international or foreign organization or their representatives in activities directed against the security of the Russian Federation contains elements of a crime under Article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (high treason) . The offense is punishable by imprisonment for up to 20 years

[Vitolds]

The conclusion is:
Now Ukraine is under martial law, which means that every resident is a soldier. If I transfer $1 to help a Ukrainian (well, for example, for bread and water), they will put me in prison for 20 years!
This is how it is now in Russia....

[biscuit]

My sister lives in Ukraine. She and her husband have decided to stay put. When they were at the railway station yesterday to sell their escape tickets, in the queue (very long queue) was a mother with her child needing to go by train to her husband so they gave the tickets to her instead. She says the Ukrainian planes flew over her village yesterday and made hearts in the sky with their vapour trails.

[expresso]

The conclusion is:
Now Ukraine is under martial law, which means that every resident is a soldier. If I transfer $1 to help a Ukrainian (well, for example, for bread and water), they will put me in prison for 20 years!
This is how it is now in Russia....

thats too much - its insane - how does someone like that stay in power for so long - if you can get out - leave and dont go back - it wont get better with that kind of Gov. leaders - no human rights at all - these leaders feel they own everyone - control them - and do what ever they want with them -

it cant end well - i hope you can make it out and dont go back

[Burgerman]

Someone should take him out.

[expresso]

yes they should to save russia - he will destroy Russia in the end - damage is already don - no one in the world wants to deal with russia now

no sane country will - i think even China realizes this - he too much he went too far - the russians should take him out and who ever else in charge

to save Russia - if he uses Nukes in any way - that will be the end - they will be wiped out sooner or later - if you can get out of Russia - get out now - stay out till hes gone -

he dosnt care for the Russian people - if he uses Nukes - i think even China will go against him - theres a line you dont cross - we can all forget about our batteries and chargers and chairs then

[Vitolds]

I understand that Russians are now hated all over the world, I'm sorry, but nothing can be done about this. Now I watched how the police arrest people in St. Petersburg that they just went out into the street without slogans.
I see a scary video happening in Ukraine, it's scary. Part of the Russian military aged 20-22 (in Russia, compulsory conscription for military service of men aged 18-27 years). My son will be 18 in a month, he has to join the army... This is crazy...
All EU countries have canceled flights and closed their airspace. There is no war in Russia yet, I am very sorry for the Ukrainian people...

[expresso]

i dont think every one hates russian people - the world knows its not the Russian people themselves - its the Gov. Putin - thats doing this and making the world go against Russia

we dont hate the russian people here in NYC - we have protests going in favor of UKraine and no War - Putin is out of his mind - always has been - but this is going too far talking about Nukes

if you guys can get out of there - leave now before putin starts a nuke war - -

no country should start a war over nothing - War is for the very last resort if you are attacked first - Putin wants to go back 50 years 100 years and take all the land back etc - let the people decide who wants to be free - who wants to stay in Russia or Ukraine or where ever -

hopefully in a few more days if they really hold Talks to end it - and russian solders can go home - - its not fair to them either - most i am sure dont want to kill Ukrains either - i always though everyone is similar there all speak Russian and have the same values culture - .

[Gnomatic]

youtu.be/If61baWF4GE

This is really good video explaining Moscow's possible motives for invading Ukraine. It has a couple product plugs that can easily be skipped over. Very informative if you have a bit of time to watch

[expresso]

yeah that sounds about right - as time goes by - resources diminish - more of this will happen with other countries also - not only from russia -

Ukraine is in trouble - they cant survive on there own without the US or and others

[Burgerman]

It has a couple product plugs that can easily be skipped over.

I would never have known. I have not seen an ad in at least a decade. Why on earth do people not use uBlock Origin. Install it and never be bothered by all the crap on the internet ever again.

[Burgerman]

It has a couple product plugs that can easily be skipped over.

I would never have known. I have not seen an ad in at least a decade. Why on earth do people not use uBlock Origin. Install it and never be bothered by all the crap on the internet ever again.

[Gnomatic]

Did you watch the video?

[expresso]

I did - makes sense -

[Burgerman]

Yes. Same story the media here are telling pretty much. As long as you ignore the BBC.

[Burgerman]

Expresso, the old iron curtain is gone, Its more of a shower curtain now. Or was... Russian and travel was pretty easy.

Although its looking pretty bad again now. Fliht bans all over etc already.

[expresso]

this is heating up - Putin really did it this time - to himself

No one in the world agrees with this - it back fired on him - the Russian people dont want this - no one does but him only - this will be his downfall and hopefully Russia gets a new leader who is Human and wants peace -

the swiss and finland are going to join NATO at some point now - i hope the EU accepts Ukraine right now - to Join the EU and NATO - only way they can stay alive at this point - the other country Belarus - or what ever it is - is sending in troops also- Ukraine needs to help from EU - US and NATO

i am glad all the citizens of UKraine are taking arms to defend there country - Putin didnt expect this to be so hard - hes done - even if and after this is over with Ukraine and i hope they survive this - Putin is done - he cant help Russia - he will only bring Russia down to the bottom of the barrel - no one wants to trade or be friends with Putins russia

he made a big mistake - 130,000 citizens taking arms - i know they are not trained for this - but its something and will make a difference - at least maybe hold them off longer till some end to this can be achieved - before its too late

[Burgerman]

The EU that we just escaped from is heading the way the old soviet union was. It started as a trade group called the common market. And gradually transformed into a massive socialist centrally controlled powercrazed wannabe huge grey block political union that tells all its countries what to do...

It will cease to exist at sometime in the near future and thats a great thing for all its prisoners who are now realising what its trying to transform into. Nato, yes. EU! Definitely not.

Why would the ukraine manage to escape from one non-elected centrally controlled socialist superstate by non elected beaurocrats, just to then give away all their new found freedoms and power just to join another one?

[expresso]

didnt know - i though the EU was something like a NATO

stick together - help each other - defend each other

in that case - why would Ukraine ask to be in the EU ASAP

in NATO Asap yes - he needs to be protected - if Ukraine makes it thru this - this only caused all the other countries to want to be in NATO which Putin dosnt want - if he didnt do anything - didnt start a WAR - it would be better for HIM - he just killed himself - he will never be the World Leader or Power any more


is there a way to get rid of him from being a UN member with veto power ?

[Burgerman]

in that case - why would Ukraine ask to be in the EU ASAP

Beats me... Thats why we just left. And by god that was not easy. They hated it. Did everything possible AND STILL ARE to stop it happening. One thing the EU dont like is voters. Democratic choices doesent go down well. They are turning into a group of unelected all controlling socialit powermad dictators themselves. Many countries POPULATIONS are beginning to see this too after brexit.

[expresso]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mama-hard-re ... 10726.html

the russian people are being used by Putin - lied to about the war - about everything -

the russian people dont want War

only Putin does - there has to be a way to take him out - from within

[Burgerman]

They are mushrooms. Kept in the dark and fed on shit. I have been listening to some of their broadcasts with english translation. You wouldnt recognise this as an attack at all! Propaganda. How well that works in the day of the internet I dont know. Many russians agree with it because they know little about the reality of whats goin on.

[expresso]

Now Putin Media said they won and Ukraine is now a part of russia again

before it was taken down off the air -

on the other hand China the citizens are happy with this -

we all know this is a thing between Putin and the US - NATO getting close around Russia etc, also some assurances from the US which were broken about Weapons installed on NATO countries - there is more to everything that we dont know -

but never the less - Ukraine did nothing to Russia to have them evade and start a war -


the US does not want to get in a War with Russia - alot of people will die - citizens innocent - and we both have Nukes - which should never never be used - i would say only under the worst conditions - but once it starts with Nukes - we can all say goodbye cruel world -

[Burgerman]

The EU is a trade organization with delusions of grandeur and attempting to make itself into a new soviet union style socialist centrally controlled superstate.
As such its not got any millitary, or any real power. It given itself a flag, an anthem, and has attempted to take control over all its member country laws and rules and regulations. Even though its not even a country. Or democratic. For E.g its new "leader" who is called Ursula von der leyen, nobdy ever heard of never mind voted for! And apaently shes in charge. Same goes for all their beurocrats pretty much. So we cant vote them out can we?

The best thing that can happen for all the countries of the EU (which isnt europe! Even though they keep refering to it as that) is that it collapses. Its done enormous damage to all the southern countries, and practically bankrupted most of them. Lets all hope it collapses soon so that these poor countries can be REAL COUNTRIES and run their own lives, economies, courts and governments again.

I might add that putin threatened the UK with nukes And we too have them. So that would be good... Heres the thing. He is bonkers. So may do anything.

[expresso]

In that case with the EU - not good - its true -that it sounds as if its European Union - as if all of Europe is united and help each other

i think that would be a good thing - if each country is left to run it as they please- and have the others as friends - etc, in times of needs - protections - etc,

but not to bring everyone down - so the EU is not all of Europe then ? i didnt know

NATO i knew - and not sure why it would take so long for any country who wants to join let them join - safely in numbers -