Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC

[martin007]

I see you have 32 Gb RAM and an I7 processor.

How many gigahertz does this I7 provide?
1,90 or 2,10?
I´m studying the hardware requirements of Windows LTSC.

[Burgerman]

Theres a lot more to it than ghz.

This CPU is a 4 core above is in my laptop, an 8 thread, processor. It runs at 400mhz up to 3.2Ghz depending on load, and how you have it configured. Its also massive overkill for windows 10 which when configured well takes less memory or cpu power than windows XP, 7, 8, does.

Its also dependent on the amount of work it can do per CPU cycle. A 3Ghz CPU that is modern is capable of processing much more than an older 5ghz CPU. This is known as instruction per cycle. So it can do more at lower frequency.

And the number of cores, and if they are multithreading also matters.
My new CPU for e.g in my water cooled PC has 16 CPU cores, and can process 32 threads at a time. Not much use in a laptop as this when overclocked takes around 275 watts! Hence water cooling etc. And this CPU has no on board graphics. So the High power graphics card takes another 275 watts and another waterblock... Horses for courses.

One of the mot important factors is getting rid of the olde worlde mechanical HD. An SSD makes everything way faster. And 8GB memory is adequate. Although this laptop has 32GB which is overkill on a laptop.

[martin007]

I have a old processor.
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+ (Maximum 2.2GHz,)
My motherboard supports up to 16GB of RAM.

With this I suppose that Windows 10 (64 bits) LTSC is out of my reach?

[Burgerman]

I think that it woud run ok with an SSD and 8GB RAM.
IF that operating system will run on that CPU.

Easy to test. Just do it. Without an SSD and 8gb ram it will be so slow as to be unusable. It will RUN on 4GB ram. But a bit sluggish.

[Burgerman]

Modern CPU thottle all the time depending on load. And if correctly configured.

So here, its been up 1 day, 10 hours and a bit. At idle when I do nothing its 1% o less CPU. And under 1Ghz.
When I open a new browser, it jumps to 27% and 2.86Ghz for an instant and then back to under 1%.

[martin007]

And Windows 7 (64 bits) LTSC?

[Burgerman]

No longer supported. No updates. But the version of LTSC 10 we use is inteded for "thngs" and so ges security updates for the next decade.

[martin007]

What SSD do you have in your computer?

[Burgerman]

I have lots.
For a decade. Many ow used as external USB3 drives.
At the moment my laptop and my new water cooled computer both have NVMe M.2 Samsung 980 pro drives for boot. The laptop one is 1TB. The Desktop PC has two, both 2TB ones, and these are super fast. 7GB per second.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SSD-Samsung-NV ... r=8-1&th=1

And 2x 4TB SSDs for storage ad backups in my desktop PC as well.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-MX500- ... r=8-2&th=1

You will be shocked at the cost probably. You dont need this. Any old small cheap SSD will make your PC 5x faster.

[martin007]

What reading speed do you recommend?
Any other noteworthy features?

[Burgerman]

Dont worry about any of that. Its the SEEK and write speeds that matter. ALL SSDs are super fast compared to hard disks. I threw away my last hard drive 7 years ago. To slow and too unreliable to use.

My NVMe drives are 7gb per sec, on large files, and slightly slower on write. On small files all disks are lots slower. But massively faster than hard drives.

[martin007]

Another problem is that my motherboard is a funnel for speed...

[Burgerman]

Dont worry about any of that. Its the SEEK and write speeds that matter. ALL SSDs are super fast compared to hard disks. I threw away my last hard drive 7 years ago. To slow and too unreliable to use.

My NVMe drives are 7gb per sec, on large files, and slightly slower on write. On small files all disks are lots slower. But massively faster than hard drives.

They were for this https://www.wheelchairdriver.com/board/ ... &mode=view

[martin007]

my motherboard

https://www.asrock.com/mb/nvidia/alivenf6g-vsta/

[steves1977uk]

Time to upgrade I'm afraid Martin... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/window ... processors

AMD Athlon X2 is unsupported being a 2006 era CPU. Running such an old system is a security risk, even on Linux despite what they "claim".

Steve

[snaker]

How better is SSD NVMe Gen4, comparing to Gen3? The price of a SSD Gen4 is about 60% higher than Gen3, is it worth?

I am going to build a new PC, maybe I will need 2x1TB SSD.

[Burgerman]

You wont notice the difference. UNLESS like me you copy one drive to the other or move huge files such as compressed backups. And then its double the performance. You can backup a 100GB of data or a C drive in under 5 mins. Wih smaller files lik a mix of data its not noticibly faster.

This only affects fast NVMe M.2 drives not normal SSDs.

[Burgerman]

I was wrong it boosts up to 4.2ghz when it wants!

[martin007]

What task does your computer perform to consume 4.2ghz?

[steves1977uk]

Video conversion/encoding can push the CPU frequency up to max. I can see 5GHz on my i9-9900K CPUs if unlocked on all cores. Even digital photo editing on RAW files can consume a lot of CPU power. Or games/simulators etc...

Steve

[martin007]

I have a doubt.
Does "Windows 7" have an LTSC version?

[Burgerman]

What task does your computer perform to consume 4.2ghz?

Load. Any load. If its idle, and I were to say open a web browser. Or any program. It will hit its max speed instantly but only for a few ms. So everything it does happens fast. As soon as theres no real cpu load it drops back to under 1ghz.

If you hav a CPU like the new one in my desktop PC it has 16 cores, 32 threads. Any single core, or more than one core, up to as many as required can boost individually to run whatever load or thread is needed.

So at any one time there will be 16 cores all at different speeds from idle (and very low power saving you £££, and making very little in the way of heat) up to all cores maxed out at 100% which is around 250 watts of £££ and heat to dump. That seldom happens in any desktop computer though. Unless you are doing realyl heavy 3d solid editing for a cnc machine ir something similar, or 4 and 8k movie editing. And then you really need a GOOD 3080Ti to 3090 graphics card to help too. And thats another 270 to 360 watts of heat... And 1500+ £££.

[steves1977uk]

I have a doubt.
Does "Windows 7" have an LTSC version?

Doesn't exist as Windows 7 is from 2009, so it's had a 10+ year life cycle already. You really need a modern PC, even a Ryzen 5 or Core i5 CPU would be miles ahead of your Athlon 64.

Here's a 3rd Gen Intel system... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265566993076 You would need a Graphics card too, but it would be much quicker than your current PC.

Steve

[Burgerman]

Also windows 7 is no longer suported. No security updates. You need 10. Or 11 if you can stand it bullying you into using edge and more nonsense. I prefer 10, IOT, LTSC with another 10 years left in it.

[Burgerman]

Note that I just changed from Enterprize LTSC to Enterprize IoT LTSC to get the 10 year support. That took just 1 second... IOT is the exact same thing, just a registration thing... It means Internet of Things. So things are fridge, chargers, whatever... Embedded software.

[martin007]

I am only asking the version "Windows 7 Enterprise LTSC" existed.
On the Internet there is no trace of its existence.
A friend of mine says that Windows 7 LTSC has never existed.

[steves1977uk]

Martin, the Long Term Servicing Base/Channel (LTSB/LTSC) started with Windows 10 in 2015. It has never existed for previous OS's like Windows 8.1 and below.

Steve

[martin007]

OK.
Thanks for answering.

[Burgerman]

Also, windows 10 was when windows was supplied AS a service instead of a bought product. Mostly free upgrades. Because they added a crap load of stuff that pushes you towards MS products, like their own search (ads) and office (subscription) and browser (edge, ads, and more) and made it very hard to disentangle all the phoning home and supplying them with your data ($$$).

So 10 LTSC or 10 IoT LTSC is basically the same as windows 7 anyway as it doesent have all that crap or the metro nonsense built in. So there wasnt a need for an LTSC version, as there wasnt a million "feature" metro app updates$$$ monemaking nonsense built in as there is in all the other 10, and 11 windows versions.

[martin007]

Yes, yes.
I had a mess in my head.
Do you have a printer, scanner or something similar at home?
Do they work properly on Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC?
I say it because there are usually no domestic printers in business environments.
The drivers may not be compatible...