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Postby Burgerman » 11 Nov 2022, 10:06

Socialist medicine.
Just on BBC news.

In the UK 7.1 million people, (12% of the entire population) have been waiting an average of over a year for routine medical care. Some over 8 years. This is stuff like operations, and knee or hip joints, or burn repair, etc. Its been building like this for years. But also scans and diagnosis of/for many things like cancer and other things.

Ambulance waits are up to a record 48 hours, and things like heart attacks, broken hips up to 8 hours. Then another 8 waiting in an ambulance outside the hospital in a long que of ambulanes. I have personal experience of an 8 HOUR wait for an ambulance for a woman screaming in the street with a broken hip/pelvis laid on an icy road.

This year has the highest ever level of people being diagnosed with non treatable cancers due to endless waits for scans and diagnosis of symtoms. And lots of other undiagnosed issues that are also now untreatable.

Meanwhile I cannot call or see a doctor inside 2 weeks, and thats if you can get through at all. And right now I have been trying for 2 days every few hours. The battery doesent last long enough. Basically they are not answering phones, and the surgery itself is locked down, and all you can do is press a never answered bell along with about 15 other freezing people. At best a hand comes out of a slot with a prescription. Mostly you are ignored.

And things are now getting worse! Which you wouldnt have thought possible realistically. Because the nurses, care staff, cleaners, are all goig on strike! And after a 17% percent increase. They already average over 30k. It already costs the taxpayer over 20% of gross national income. Is the largest employer in the world. Mostly overpaid paper pushers. Diversity managers etc. They are super super inefficient and waste at least half their money. And they cant do anything without lots of meetings, training days, and groups of people assessing everything and then more meetings. I wont tell you about my 3 patient lifts. And other stuff. Because I doubt you would believe it.

Its about time it was completely split up and privatised.
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Re: NHS

Postby Burgerman » 11 Nov 2022, 11:41

I might add that they have made parking illegal for about a mile around the hospital forcing people to use the very expensive car park. This is nowhere near adequate so it becomes impossible for staff, and impossible to keep any apointments that yo have waited months or years for. And if you have a relative you need to visit daily, the cost can run into thousands for parking alone and mean wasting hours waiting to find a space. Incompetant management doesent even begin to describe the situation. Try finding a space for a adapted van that allows you to get in or out! :clap

And now fines are being considered for missed apointments! And some of these apointments for things like regular scans for women or prostate etc that are just sent by post via computer regardless of if you wanted one. In order to cancel these, you have to ring them. And you cant do that either! :lol:

I got one now. A aorta screening thing. Tried to cancel it. It just goes to some merry go around phone system for 40 mins and then it goes dead.

NHS does not work.
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Postby martin007 » 11 Nov 2022, 20:14

The same thing happens in Spain.
The future looks very black.
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Postby Burgerman » 11 Nov 2022, 23:58

The more socialist the western world becomes, the poorer it gets. And its getting worse year by year for 30 years.

The further to the left, the lower the living standards, the lower the individual freedoms, the more the wealth redistribution from rich to poor.
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Re: NHS

Postby martin007 » 12 Nov 2022, 00:30

The socialist tide is growing.
Socialism is in fashion.
The people want socialism.

The only way out is a change of scenery.
Change country.
Not everyone can change country.
There are hardly any capitalist countries.
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Postby Burgerman » 12 Nov 2022, 00:52

There are none really now. Thats the problem, even the US is headed the same green/global/lefty politically correct/socialistic way.

The problem is that its been too long since the horrors of half the worlds century of socialist experiment ended. There are too many marxist freshly born brainwashed by schools/colleges/media. They dont teach that horror story. They teach that capitalism and free market trade and pride in your country is the problem!
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Re: NHS

Postby SweetBearCub » 21 Dec 2022, 13:25

Burgerman wrote:I might add that they have made parking illegal for about a mile around the hospital forcing people to use the very expensive car park. This is nowhere near adequate so it becomes impossible for staff, and impossible to keep any apointments that yo have waited months or years for. And if you have a relative you need to visit daily, the cost can run into thousands for parking alone and mean wasting hours waiting to find a space. Incompetant management doesent even begin to describe the situation. Try finding a space for a adapted van that allows you to get in or out! :clap

And now fines are being considered for missed apointments! And some of these apointments for things like regular scans for women or prostate etc that are just sent by post via computer regardless of if you wanted one. In order to cancel these, you have to ring them. And you cant do that either! :lol:

I got one now. A aorta screening thing. Tried to cancel it. It just goes to some merry go around phone system for 40 mins and then it goes dead.

NHS does not work.


That sounds... beyond maddening. I wish I knew the way forward for you folks. In the US, the NHS was held up for quite some time (as is the system in Canada as well) as a model of healthcare that we should aspire to. I'm not going to say that the healthcare system here is anywhere near perfect, it's clearly not, but it many ways, it's better than what I keep reading about the NHS.

I suppose the NHS has heard of online patient portals where a person can log in and make/cancel appointments, ask questions of their doctors, etc? They don't seem to have.

I had gastric bypass weight loss surgery in March of 2022. It took my GP being competent (thankfully he is, and he's young too!) to take the time to listen to me, discuss it with me and actually refer me and get the insurance process started, a few quick side visits (dietician, psychologist, these were done via video calls), and a pre-surgery consult with the surgeon. Three weeks after that, I was in the hospital, and 3 days later (an extra day was by my choice of not feeling 100% ready), and I was home.

Maybe my experiences are unusual, and indeed, when I lived in Florida years ago, I nearly died from a lack of competent medical care. Moving to California before I died turned out to be the best thing that I did in my life.
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