3 nurses

[Burgerman]

just turned up as a group in a surprize visit. Why? To ask me do I have any sores currently? And is my equipment OK? That was it. They do this yearly. Now they are driving 3 miles to the next one. Seriously?

Then the NHS says in every breath that it needs more funding...
If that was a privately run business, then a cheap secratary would call 200 patients a day and ask that same 2 questions by phone. But the NHS is a socialist run organisation that is a law unto itself is run by the sort of people that do this. They will take 3 nurses, to hold each others hands and manage 10 patients at best, by car, per day. So about 3.3 each daily. They do this with every part of the NHS. Its a hand holding society designed for the staff to do things with no personal responsibility in the easiest for them way possible for them. This happens in all socialist structures naturally over time. As there is no competitive need to be efficient or to please the end users. As theres no competitive structure. Same as local governments, and complete socialist countries that always go bankrupt eventually. They just dont get it.

Mostly its genuine caring people but it's simply not run it like a business. They just have no clue about the real outside world. They dont see how hopelessly inefficient they are. Havng run a few small businesses pre injury, I know would have gone bust if I ran it that way. This is why it costs a monsterous 20.5% of the entire gross national income. And een so, you cant get treatment, cant get a doctor appontment and a rediculous TEN PERCENT of the entire country are on a waiting list of between 6 months and 10 years for operations and other treatments.

[martin007]

If you don't like the English system you can come to Spain and I'm going to the UK...

[Burgerman]

What I dont like is the fact that we USED to have in the main a two party system.
We have a first past the post system in politics.
So while thate are small parties, the main two are where its at. A vote for any other basically is a wasted vote.

So we USED to have a labour (the socialist, unionistic, party of those that hat the rich and love wealth transfer) who bankrupted the country any time they won.
It was them that also loved all the woke, lefty, green nonsense, pink hair and nose ring types and open borders. They also wanted and pushed to REMAIN in the EU even after the referendum that they lost.

So we voted for the opposite to this. The conservative party. They USED to stand for free market capitalism, small government and conservative values. But for the last 13 years in power they have basically turned into a alternative labour party. So now we have TWO almost identical labour parties to choose from.

Both are trying to reverse brexit and in fact have yet to do most of that. The establishment STILL dont want it. What they also refused to do, the the country wants is to stop all this muslim african and middle east immigration. So they ignored this too. Then they taxed us at the highest level since records began in true socialist style. And now they have also been destroying all our coal power plants, shutting down almost every oil and coal and gas well/mine/dig etc. And also are refusing drilling for il on land or sea. Same with gas. Nuclear power is all at end of life, and so we now BUY all our energy from crazy priced "green" sources. This is also hurting business and individuals and its all complete nonsense virtue signalling bullshit.

So the people will PUNISH the conservative party next year and nobody will vote for them. And that lets the EVEN WORSE socialist labour party into power.

We are in a bad spot. The true conservatives have been replaced with a 2nd labour party, and green party.

[martin007]

The situation is similar throughout Western Europe and the USA.

[expresso]

Flying nuns

[Burgerman]

Flying nuns???

[expresso]

reminded me of the flying Nuns - it was an Old show here -

i think it was 3 nuns that flew around - dont remember it all - didnt watch it -

you had 3 nurses going around house to house - i though of the flying nuns

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061252/

[Burgerman]

I see... Thats why I dont watch "tv"...

[slomobile]

Inefficiency and greed will dominate where ever it is allowed to persist. It is not limited to socialism.

If responsibility for this program were given to a private company, they would look at the number of people visited by the 3 nurses. Call 3 times that many people one time, mostly unanswered or not relevent phone numbers. Bill 90% of what the 3 nurses program cost, claim a 300% improvement in "efficiency" and give themselves a 50% bonus on the backs of taxpayers. And never notice 70% of the sores because the people they are asking on the phone are paralyzed and cannot feel a sore on their ass and have no one else to look.

If they sent just 1 nurse, someone would complain "Hey, shes lookin' at my bits! I'm gonna sue!" So they send out multiple witnesses. It is a bad policy because better policies were abused. The replacement policy, whatever it is, will be abused.

[martin007]

At the center is virtue...

[Burgerman]

The three nurses never looked at anything. They were just checking to see if my lift/bed/etc was meeting my needs. Hence 3 questions. Actually only 2 and a half... I could have answered that on a phone in as many seconds.

If responsibility for this program were given to a private company, they would look at the number of people visited by the 3 nurses. Call 3 times that many people one time, mostly unanswered or not relevent phone numbers. Bill 90% of what the 3 nurses program cost, claim a 300% improvement in "efficiency" and give themselves a 50% bonus on the backs of taxpayers.

If it was run as a private business with the paying customer/patient doing the paying either cash or via whatever private insurance cover they had, then the tax payer has nothing to do with it. Wouldnt cost 1p. Never mind 20.5% of the entire countries GrNa Earnings. And if this was a proper free market economy no single company would be "given" the job by the socialist NHS anyway, because this would be up to the paying end user. Who they have to please. And that user can go to whichever private company offers the best service, and the best price. Ruling out anyone giving themselves a 50% bonus in any case as they wouldnt be able to compete. They are not comparing what they do to the 3 nurses. But to their free market competitors. Efficiency is their way to make more money. They would need to compete. On quality. Price. Service. Just like the manufacturers of laptops, beef, printer ink, plumbers, and everything else. How many moskavich or lada cars do you see in americs? Why do you think that was? Socialisn doesent NEED to compete so they made really bad cars, slowly, (10 year wait for delivery IF you were alocated one). So no reason to improve them.

Competition, ALWAYS drives down prices, improves choice, quality and design of newer products, and service. It drives everything. The opposite is socialism. It does the exact opposite to this in every case. Takes around 20 years to bankrupt an economy with heavy socialism. At which point theres no rich people remaining to tax to hand out $$$ to all the rest... And no food on shelves. Nobody can afford to live. Socialism always results in a worse economy.

And paradoxically the poorest are the ones that always end up starved or trapped in severe poverty. Free market capitalism (not to be confused with corporatism and huge companies with a monopoly over other companies) always results in dragging the desperate, the poor, and the 3rd world (like china was 50 years ago eating dead babies to get protein), out of poverty. Socialism results in venuzuala... Always.

Who do you think gets the best medical care? Venuzuala? Or the rich western countries. And guess WHY they are rich!

[slomobile]

There is nothing preventing private companies from going around checking if your equipment is ok.
Why aren't there hundreds of companies competing to do that cheaper and cheaper?
Because there isn't any profit in it? Not true. There is a ton of profit in it, but only if you are crooked.
Predator telemarketers scamming people out of their life savings, calling about your car warranty or Medicare, or whatever scam du jour. But they are not providing any value to anyone they call.

Private health insurance conglomerates have fingers reaching into wallets at every stage of healthcare. They invent new ways to take more money while providing less value and brag about it because that is what their investors want.

I don't know what service the 3 nurses are supposed to be providing either. Seems like we are getting the worst aspects of capitalism and socialism at the same time.

[martin007]

Seems like we are getting the worst aspects of capitalism and socialism at the same time.

Interesting reflection.
One possible explanation is that the current economic system predominant in the West is a hybrid of capitalism and socialism...
Adopting the worst of each part.
Privatizing the gains and socializing the losses.
Capitalism regulates itself.

[Burgerman]

There is nothing preventing private companies from going around checking if your equipment is ok.
Why aren't there hundreds of companies competing to do that cheaper and cheaper?

Thats easy!
Because in the UK and in the US we do not HAVE a free market capitalist driven medical system. We have the heavily socialist super wasteful NHS and you have an increadibly over complex highly legislated and over regulated insurance based system which is massively distorted and corpororatist.

In every other field, such as buying carpets, getting prices to rebuild your kitchen, or buying food, you DO have a free market driven system. Thats why you dont drive a communist made car with a 10 year delivery and zero choices.

Because there isn't any profit in it? Not true. There is a ton of profit in it, but only if you are crooked.

In any FREE MARKET system the competition rules out anything much being crooked. Because you need to get that job, or sell your product and offer a good reliable service or people walk. Your competitor that isnt crooked and doesent rip anyone off, gets the business. Likewise if his product or service is cheaper he sells more than you too.

Predator telemarketers scamming people out of their life savings, calling about your car warranty or Medicare, or whatever scam du jour. But they are not providing any value to anyone they call.

That depends. But its also down to the fools that are stupid enough to fall for their nonsense.
Some people sell genuine things and real services down a phone. Or on a TV screen. And many dont. In a free market then thats their perogative. As long as they are not breaking any laws or doing anything wrong. If someone is stupid enough to fall for lies, theft, bad service, etc then more fool them. If its illegal, then its no different to robbing a bank or mugging someone. Which has nothing to do with trade.

Private health insurance conglomerates have fingers reaching into wallets at every stage of healthcare. They invent new ways to take more money while providing less value and brag about it because that is what their investors want.

Correct. Thats why the medical system in the US isnt a free market capitalist system. Its an over regulated system that is the opposite to that. That kind of thing, is called corporatism, and its is illegal in the UK. And this results in price fixing and no free market competition. Also illegal in the UK. Thats not a free market. And it isnt capitalism either. We have a part of the government ha breaks up such big structures, and monopolies. And you should too.

I don't know what service the 3 nurses are supposed to be providing either. Seems like we are getting the worst aspects of capitalism and socialism at the same time.

They were doing what most of the socialist NHS does. Wasting time and money like its going out of fashion. "They" prefer to hang around in groups. So they do many meetings, and make many reasons to do such trips because its a nice easy day and they can talk. In a private business there would be a boss, thinking about productivity and profit in order to pay the wages and he bills and the taxes. In a socialist structure that doesent happen. Because their bsses all think the same way as they do. Which is why they invent ever more ways to make their days nicer or easier, and with as little responsibility as they can possibly get away with. Hence endless panel meetings, group decisions, piles of reports and paperwork, cake, coffee and a nice warm heated office. Why do socialist systems beave like that? Because their wages, the bosses wages, the money for bills, the new cars, the new furniture or maintainance costs, and all the rest are paid by the government. Helicopter money. NOT by the patient. They dont need to please you!

[Burgerman]

If there were 3 car dealers.

And one of them was as inefficient as the NHS is, then they would need to charge way more for the same car. To pay for the waste, the meetings, the hanging about and working in large hand holding groups.

Worse, the 2 private guys would both be trying hard to sell you a car. And competing against each other on price and services. Because they know that their job and income depend on profit and sales provide that.

The socialistic dealer doesent care. They are not bothered if you buy a car, because the government pays the wages. And the losses.

So their dealership would be dirty, hard to get anyone to call you back, (lack of interest in sales) the cars wouldnt gleam, they would be dull and scruffy looking, and all the staff would either be on holiday, doing diversity training, or sitting together talking about what they did at the weekend. Or gone home early because nobody was buying and if they try its all a nusance. Because its easier for them not to be stood in the cold talking to another punter. They might notice that the offices were dirty, that the cars needed valeting. And polishing. So they would employ another layer of staff to do that job. The bosses might employ a few more under managers so that they could come in less often. The golf course calls. They do not care if they sell zero cars or have monumental overheads either, because the helicopter will be back at the end of the month.

This describes exactly what happens in all socialist systems. The more socialistic a society is, the poorer it ends up. And thats especially true OF THE WEAKEST AND POOREST members. The rich dont care if they have half as much, they already had 10x more than they needed. But the middle, and the really poor certainly do.

[Burgerman]

The local councils job is to empty the rubbish bins.
They keep making them smaller and smaller. And they keep making the periods between emptying them longer. So its practically impossible to have a bin that is not over full. They came yesterday. And left all the ones that were more than full. So half the treet still have full bins. And now have no place to put rubbish for the next 2 weeks. If the lid was 1 inch up, not completely closed they left a notice saying that it was why they didnt empty it stuck on the bin.

If that was a private company, competing with other private bin companies they would have emptied the damned bins. Weekly. With sensibly sized bins. Or the boss would have fired them. And the customer would have walked. Socialist local councils have no free market competion. So they do everything over time to make THEIR lives as easy as possible. Ever creeping new ideas to mak THEIR lives easier or ways to make you do the work. They dont need to compete or please you. And they dont care.

The exact same reason I have 3x £2.5k patient lifts, 2 unused, after a NHS socialist style comedy of assessements and meetings and panels and paperwork between a huge group of people over a couple of months. Can you imaging a furniture company leaving you 3 sofas? A car company leaving you 3 cars? This stuff doesent happen in a free market. Because they would go bust. The NHS just scream to the government for yet more cash to waste. And you still cant get a prescription or treatment.