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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby mleedix1 » 01 Sep 2017, 17:40

sacharlie wrote:Carlisle, Kenda, Duro and others make wheelbarrow tires that size. I have Michelin 3.5x8 street tread scooter tires on my q6. Better ride than the stock 3x8 gimp grey tires.
These 3.5x8 are 15" tall by 3.5" and haven't decreased the range that I can notice.


That is the answer I was looking to find.

Or course range and torque are huge concerns. But my biggest concern is the ride and traction [to a point involves torque] of course. But this chair beats my neck and back to pieces. Live and learn - my next chair will be similar to Burgerman chairs. Still
working on cad atm but planning just a couple of small changes but for the most part love his design.

Burgerman wrote:...if you can live with the results...

That is the key. I'm hoping to tweak the frame just a tad and get some 24s in there. Width is close enough that it seems feasible but that is on the back burner until we can straighten out the ride. And of course educate the rep that sold this to me. Reading some of your comments earlier on this thread really make me wish we'd asked more questions and spoke my mind before signing the papers.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 01 Sep 2017, 18:05

The biggest issue is (ignoring the mid drive thing) lack of any suspension. You really need to fit these as sidewalls and low pressures are your only way of getting a decent ride.


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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby mleedix1 » 01 Sep 2017, 18:56



This is my long term plan. I love your design.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Soulrider » 17 Dec 2017, 13:52

Well, I think I'm screwed. This has been a learning experience and one that is going to probably take five years to correct. As some of you might remember I was up for a new power chair and being forced to jump through all the hoops, etc. I was being steered ok, pretty much told, you'll be getting a Quantum Q6 Edge 2.0. Don't all applaud at once. banghead Then the word came back that my chair was denied by insurance. So, I contacted the guy I'd been dealing with on getting the chair and asked him about appealing the denial. He said no, it wasn't really worth it. Bottom line without going into everything, I'm staying at a care center right now due to some wounds I have. Because of that, insurance basically denied the chair. This guy I worked with said we'd have to wait until I had a discharge date to start the whole process over again. I asked to speak to one of the physical therapists who were also involved at the "wheelchair fitting" thing I had to go through. So this PT lady calls me and she basically told me the same thing. I thought, this is BS, what do these people care. If I DON'T appeal it then they all get paid a 2nd time when I DO get discharged and the insurance WILL approve the chair. So they have basically NO incentive to encourage me to appeal the denial. So, I went ahead with the appeal on my own! I got my doctor to change my orders so I could get up more (was on bedrest), had my doctor write a letter on my behalf, had like six other people right letters on my behalf. I wrote a three page letter myself. The appeal was to be decided by a human services judge via teleconference between me and the other side/insurance. The hearing/teleconference was scheduled for a Monday, the Friday before the hearing, I got a letter saying the insurance had changed their mind and were now going to pay for the chair. And, they were paying for it EXACTLY as it was spec'd out in the original preapproval request, including the seat elevation feature which I was told by these people at the wheelchair fitting would NEVER be approved even if the chair was approved.
They said they we can request it but they never usually consider it medically necessary. I think I surprised the hell out of the guy who said no, don't bother appealing the denial when I emailed him and asked him if he got a copy of the letter saying I had appealed the denial and the insurance was now paying for the insurance. Especially, since he told me there was no way it was worth appealing.

Anyway, fast forward about a month, the chair should be here by now. I can't get a hold my guy.
He's not responding to my emails. I finally call him only to find he's been out on medical leave and will be for a couple of more weeks. I call this number he left on his voice mail to check on the status of my chair. Turns out the chair is here (at the dealers office). It's probably been there for who knows how long. So, I make arrangements for them to deliver it and this guy brings it out and makes a couple of adjustments I ask him to make to the arm rests, etc. I was in bed when he showed up so I couldn't even get IN the chair to properly try it out while he was here. So while he's making the adjustments I ask him if the programmer is in this big cardboard box of stuff. He looks and says, "ah no...I don't see a programmer." Now, I know..I read what you guys had to say about the absence of a "real"programmer, etc. After talking to this guy I was working with and be very insistent, he agreed to add the programmer that was listed on the order form for the chair. I'd have to pay for it of pocket but he agreed he'd order it for me as he agreed that he believed I was competent enough to not make any incredibly stupid or dangerous changes. So anyway, the guy looks and nope, there's NO programmer in the box. I told the guy there is SUPPOSED to be a programmer WITH the chair as one was ORDERED WITH THE CHAIR. I told him one was SPECIFICALLY ordered. The guy starts going into the usual..."well they don't usually sell the programmers because..." I said, yes, I know and I know why but this was specifically discussed and I was TOLD that I would be getting the programmer WITH the chair. He said, well you'll have to talk to "so and so" when he gets back. Great.

Question if anyone knows, I found this package among the box of "stuff"..owner's manual, charger, etc. It's a small plastic bag with a label that says, "ELE139125" ELECTRONIC ASSY.SERVICE BOARD. W/HARNESS & POUCH QTY:1. In the plastic bag is a small draw string pouch with Quantum on it. Inside are these two cables...that I have NO idea what they are for. There is one that is almost two fee long. On one end it is split and it has a two large alligator clips with red and black rubber/vinyl boots. On the other end is a silver three pin round connector. The other cable in the pouch is a little over four feet long. On one end is a silver, three pin, round connector that looks like the mate to the silver, round, 3 pin connector on the end of the other cable. On the other end of this 2nd cable is pig tail with two, small, rectangular, white, two pin, push-on connectors of some sort. In the MIDDLE of that 2nd cable is what appears to be about a four inch long, inch wide, black, plastic switch of some kind. It's got two arrows that face either end of the switch/cable and they depress slightly if you push on them. There are two small LEDs on one end of the switch and there is a 10 amp blade style fuse plugged into the face of the switch toward the other end. Does anyone have any idea what this is for. I did a search on the number on the label and I came up with this. https://www.southwestmedical.com/replac ... rs-package Apparently this wiring harness or whatever it is, goes for about $70. Is it just a spare part or something? The thing that has me most curious is the switch and the LED lights. If I had to GUESS, I'd say it's maybe a diagnostic cable of some sort. Maybe something that can plug into one of the seating system components or into the main controller box and with the switch maybe run the unit(s) up and down or in/out. Perhaps it can be powered directly from the battery given the alligator clips circumventing the need to use the joystick controller. Again, just guessing. If anyone knows for sure please let me know, I'm curious.

I haven't had much time to test out the chair yet. The little bit I have, I can see that it needs programming changes already. Instead of pushing the joystick forward and it being proportional whereby the further and faster you push it forward the faster it goes towards the top speed of whatever driving profile you are in. This thing.. .you push it all the way forward and the chair SITS THERE FOR A SECOND OR TWO and THEN takes off!? Same thing with revere, turning etc. That, to me seems unpredictable and dangerous. When I push the joystick forward, I want it to start moving immediately and in proportion to how far and how fast I have moved the joystick. NOT just sit there and THEN decide to go. It's like they've programmed in some sort of delay or something. That's gotta change. I REALLY wish I would have read and taken seriously Goose's advice from an earlier post. I was attempting to figure this whole thing out and before I knew it, this guy is ordering the chair. I guess I really didn't think about the concept of not signing for a chair I wasn't completely happy with and that I knew had features (like 22NF batteries) that were going to be completely inappropriate for my needs. I guess I'd hoped this guy I was working with was going to finally listen and we'd get things hashed out before he went and ordered the damn thing. BIG mistake on my end banghead and one, like I said, I'll be paying for for the next five years or so. I'm in a care center now but that's going to change. Once I get out and about, is when I'm really going to feel the inadequacies of the chair in terms of range and so on. I'm just hoping I can get even the dealer level programmer (like I'm supposed to) so I can at least maybe make SOME changes to this thing. I don't want to have to call them for every little tiny tweak that is needed. I have my doubts though which REALLY ticks me off. Terribly sorry for the novel here, I just waned to give an update to what's transpired since my last post on this subject. Thank you to Goose and everyone who's given me information on this "chair". I just wished I'd pay more attention to some of it, sooner.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby rover220 » 17 Dec 2017, 14:35

It's not a diagnostic cable. It's a simple dpdt switch with fancy lights that can be used to force an actuator to run incase you have a module failure.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 17 Dec 2017, 15:38

Their idea of steering and programming is interesting no? :lol:

I jUst ordered a custom chair with lots of non standard stuff and it will be 20 days from order to delivery (in a few days) or less. And I ordered the oem programmer first BEFORE the chair, since the choice of chairs control system depended on this, so I knew it could be properly configured.

I predume they are going to find your programmer? :cussing
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Soulrider » 20 Dec 2017, 15:20

Wow, no, can't say I'm fan of the programming I've seen so far. I haven't had a chance to really get out and do a whole but what I see so far, programming wise, I don't like! :cussing This delay they have programmed in from when you push the joystick all the way forward to when the chair actually MOVES is just annoying and actually dangerous in my opinion. I want the chair to move when I TELL IT TO MOVE, not a couple seconds later. Playing around I found this delay is less in the a couple of the high/faster "outdoor" profiles they have set up. The couple of lower/slower "indoor" profiles they have programmed have this nasty delay in both forward, backward and when turning.

My problem is I want to raise hell now because this programmer isn't there but I know I'm just going to have to wait until this guy who I'm working with who actually ordered the chair gets back in the office from his medical leave which isn't until 12/26/17. Only another week, but still..very annoying being without the ability to change what I want. I would have snagged a programmer of of ebay already before the chair arrived by I don't know which (if any) of the models available, would work.

But yeah, somebody better find my programmer. I'm guessing maybe the chair came in and with my guy being out on medical leave, someone may have gone through the box of accessories, manual, battery charger, etc before the chair was delivered the other day and removed the programmer thinking, "OH, their not supposed to have that."

Question, if you get the ilevel seating (seat elevation function) which also gives you the LED fender lights, shouldn't the lights come on automatically when the joystick controller is powered up. That's the way they show it in some of the YT videos I've seen. The guy who delivered the chair asked me if I wanted him to install the little, black "egg switch" for the fender lights while he was here. I wasn't quite sure yet where I wanted the switch mounted so I said no. However, I thought if you got the fender lights installed from the manufacturer (due to having the iLevel seating option), that they were supposed to come on and shut off with the joystick controller being powered on and off. I thought you had the option then to turn them on/off with the switch but that they'd automatically go on/off with the joystick controller power. Anyone know?
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 20 Dec 2017, 18:25

No. Pride are too stingy to integrate the lighting into the controller. Its an afterthought, so you get to have a seperate cheap switch.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby expresso » 20 Dec 2017, 19:06

Burgerman wrote:No. Pride are too stingy to integrate the lighting into the controller. Its an afterthought, so you get to have a seperate cheap switch.


Well i believe it can be done that way if it was ordered to be wired that way from the start on the order form - which the salesman dealer- does from the start - its cheaper to have a switch control it - and tilt etc, or can have it wired to work from joystick at a cost - same with Sunrise - and others - some users even prefer to have it on a switch , button or toggle for other reasons - but when ordering a chair - dealer and therapist will shoot for the least expensive options if they feel the user can use a switch instead - its all about costs - insurance and needs - if its not needed - they will look to cut the cost - if they see the user needs it in the joystick or cant use the function any other way - they will do it - based on there insurance also -
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 20 Dec 2017, 21:31

No. Those particular lights are designed as a retrofit setup. You get switch, plastic fenders with LEDs. Its designed cheap for aftermarket fitment too. Even if on the orderform.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby rover220 » 20 Dec 2017, 22:05

Burgerman wrote:No. Those particular lights are designed as a retrofit setup. You get switch, plastic fenders with LEDs. Its designed cheap for aftermarket fitment too. Even if on the orderform.


Correct. It's not possible from stock to have them on with joystick powered. You have to have the desperate egg switch.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby expresso » 20 Dec 2017, 22:14

yes they are cheap - and can be added later - but if its on the order form - when the chair is being built - they can have it controled from the joystick - unless the joystick they are getting dosnt support it - unless pride is different or they changed how they do it now - i have seen the item that plugs into the joystick which has buttons to control features - can be 4 buttons - one for lights - one for something else - now that i think about it - i seen that on many chairs - not sure if the users choose it that way or not - or may not even be told they can have it the other way - and the vendor just does it that way -

you have to ask alot of questions - be very specific with all details - even then you can miss something - i tell everyone the same thing - - example - my friend is doing new chair - going for the boulder also - if we ever get it - ok so they told him tilt recline etc, - he didnt even know what that means -

when he told me - i told him - the sides will be open - not boxed in the arm posts like he wants - he didnt know that - also that the rear seat back will have the actulator - another thing he didnt know - and he wanted swing away legs - not center - ok so if i didnt tell him this - he would have gotten a chair he dont like or wanted in that way -

yes he should have know what hes doing at the time - ask questions when your not sure - he just assumed this or that - and thats why he ends up with chairs he dosnt like or too slow or what ever after the fact - thats an example - and hes not sure if they are doing lithium and the speed etc, he wanted - because he didnt ask

he asked them to copy my order - hoping to get the same speed and setup - but i have a seat lift also - and he dosnt want it - why i dont know - he can get it - its covered - i would take it - but he dosnt want it - so to each there own - he hasnt been able to get in touch with them to make or confirm the changes he wants -

and i still dont know about mines either - approved or not - Next year i may know something - its been about 4 months - i started in Feb. but changed chairs so my fault for the long delay - or else i would have had another 646se in my house now - on avg. if all goes well - at least 6 months -
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Soulrider » 20 Dec 2017, 22:23

Actually, the lights themselves are physically the same whether installed at the factory or afterwards. They are just LEDs molded into a plastic fender. The either install the regular plastic fender without lights or if you're getting lights they put on the fenders with the lights built in. The other difference then is whether they are run directly off of the controller with the appropriate buttons (if installed at the factory. Or if purchased separately they are run off of the separate plastic "egg switch" I found in the owner's manual where there are two different button configurations for the Q-Logic 3 controller. There is one configuration that has a "I" , "home", "horn", "II' buttons with "I" and "II" being the mode buttons. The manual says, "If your Q-Logic 3 Controller is equipped with a lighting system, the Home Button and key I and key II select buttons will be REPLACED with a light button and left/right turn indicator buttons. It goes on to explain the function of the turn indicators including that if BOTH left and right indicator buttons are pressed at the same time it will activate the Hazard Lights. czy

I also got a call back regarding the programmer issue. I was told the usual company line whereby there are only programmers at the factory where the units are programmed. Beyond that the guy tried to tell some other stories how the dealers had some programmers but the only things they could change were the same options that can be changed through the options on the controller anyway (the same ones that "I" would already have access to via the controller. I told him I again realize that's the company story but that I'm sorry, I don't believe any of it. I told him I know programmers exist. I know they don't want people making changes that could be dangerous for liability purposes, etc. I said, I'm sorry but when someone is purchasing a chair that runs in the multiple 10's of thousands of dollars they should be able to purchase a programmer and not have to ask and wait for someone to come out every time they want to change some little setting on the THEIR chair. I then received a call back about some other adjustment (mechanical) that I needed done and the same guy said he'd checked into it and told me a slightly different story about how yes, their were programmers at the dealer level that could do more but they are specifically licensed to THAT dealer and were very tightly controlled...yada, yada, yada. I told them I know there are programmer out there but I wasn't going to argue about it over the phone. So the end result was basically no your not getting a programmer but you're free to take it up with so and so (the guy I'm dealing with who's out on medical leave right now until like Dec. 26th).
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 21 Dec 2017, 00:13

The programmer that the dealer uses is called DEALER level. Thats the very same programmer that is available to the public and its right there on the prescription form. Near top... https://www.pridemobility.com/pdf/order ... _w_tb3.pdf

Q-Logic PC Programming Disk with Cable.... $750 LUDICROUS PRICE FOR DEALER LEVEL!!! Part: ELEASMB5216

Theres also a OEM level tool, that pride keep at the factory, with 10x more capability, but they started to deny that that it exists 5 or 6 years back. It does of course, as these controllers are actually made for pride by curtis instruments. And may of us were already using the curtis OEM level programmers. http://assets.curtisinstruments.com/Upl ... 4_RevE.pdf But being pride this now does not work with qlogic3...

Also of interest https://www.curtisinst.co.uk/news/curti ... ol-system/
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby rover220 » 21 Dec 2017, 06:24

The dealer is pretty much correct when it comes to q logic 3 programming.

Pc programming can only be done via a cloud based program that requires a login to be created by quantum or Curtis. The 1313 handheld programmers are also linked by serial number to the dealers individual account.

As an end user self programming q logic 3 is nigh on impossible.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 21 Dec 2017, 10:27

Whilst I believe this to be correct, and had in on the front page for a month, what is this option to the user?

I-level Q6 edge order form. Near top... https://www.pridemobility.com/pdf/order ... _w_tb3.pdf
Q-Logic PC Programming Disk with Cable.... $750 Part: ELEASMB5216

Is still on the qlogic3 chairs form. It doesent say it wont work.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby rover220 » 21 Dec 2017, 11:23

Knowing pride it's probably for Rnet or vr2 as the qlogic 3 is a software download and connects via Bluetooth to a pc.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 21 Dec 2017, 12:41

Or it only works with the speciality controls and older Q-Logic 2 etc. Because this part number is def a Q-logic programmer at eye watering price! ELEASMB5216

As you said before. Dont buy anything q-logic 3 as its designed to be inaccessible by us.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Soulrider » 21 Dec 2017, 13:00

What about this programmer. I believe this is the one that I was supposed to get. This one is also still on the order form along with the other one. What is the story with this one? Q-Logic EX/NE Programmer........$545 - Part: ELEASMB6976

They also told me one of the programmers only made the same changes that could be made from the joystick controller itself. However, WHY would you even need a programmer that could make those same changes? Why wouldn't you just go in and make them ON the controller? That's the thing I don't like about this is that when talking to this guy who's with the local vendor his story kept changing. He told me one thing but when I told him I knew that what he told me was, quite frankly a lie, he then called back later saying he'd checked into it and told me another story where part of what I told him I knew to be true, was true. But then of course he spun it off into another story which still, of course ended me with me not getting a programmer. I really hate it when people lie and the story keeps changing.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 21 Dec 2017, 13:03

Nothing will work with qlogic3. Pride have it all locked safely away so no user can make it work properly. Worse, I never met a dealer that had any clue either so you pretty much screwed. Dont buy pride anything.

The dealer or on board programming only allows a few very basic adjustments to be made, usually within walls set up to give you limmited options. Anything beyond this means relying on pride, and a download with different settings. Which isnt usually possible.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 21 Dec 2017, 13:09

Send it back, refuse the chair. Tell them its unusable without a programmer which it is frankly. Get something with Dynamic or PG Drives control system.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Soulrider » 22 Dec 2017, 14:53

Burgerman wrote:Send it back, refuse the chair. Tell them its unusable without a programmer which it is frankly. Get something with Dynamic or PG Drives control system.


This is exactly what I was thinking of doing. My rep gets back the day after Christmas and he's going to get an earful! I was assured that I would be able to purchase "out of pocket" a programmer that would allow me to program the chair the way "I" wanted it with respect to acceleration, top speeds in the different modes, braking, turning, etc, etc. I'm going to tell them I wouldn't have purchased a chair that I didn't have the ability to program the parameters myself instead of waiting for someone to come out every time I want to make some minor adjustment.

What brands of chairs use Dynamic or PG Drives control systems?

I found this tag on the back of the chair today with a date from "early November" with my initials on it and my rep's name. I'm sure it's the date that my chair came in. It looks like the damn thing came in and was sitting there for a month or more while my rep was out of the office. Thanks guys. It wasn't until I finally called and found out the guy was out of the office and found someone to check on the status of my chair. "Oh yeah...it's here." Gee, thanks for letting me know!

Why on earth don't power chair manufacturers use (or at least offer) Lithium-Ion batteries? Is it strictly a cost issue? I would LOVE to have a chair with Lithium-Ion batteries.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 22 Dec 2017, 14:59

Almost all.
What brands of chairs use Dynamic or PG Drives control systems?


Lithium?
It costs about 3x as much for the battery. But offers around 3x the range. So its about the same mile for mile. But it lasts a decade instead of 3 to 400 days.

Main reason? They dont get it. And most users sit watching TV.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Soulrider » 26 Dec 2017, 22:24

Thanks for the info on Lithium-Ion, etc.

Well, I had the tech out today to make an adjustment to the arm rests that I needed. While he was here, I had him make an adjustment to the programming. As I think I mentioned in another post, I would push the joystick forward all the way and the chair would sit there and lag for 1-2 second before it would finally go. I'm used to the joystick being proportional in that if I push it all the way forward immediately it goes "right now" not sit and think about it for a second and then go. He went in and changed that for me. We were talking about the programming and the programmer and such and when he was done I asked him to let me see the hand held programmer he was using. I took a look at the back and the part/model number. It WAS the $545 programmer (part number: ELEASMB6976) listed on the PDF order form for the Quantum Q6 Edge 2.0 chair on page 5 about half way down the page.

https://www.pridemobility.com/pdf/order ... _w_tb3.pdf

Now, he said something about "cloud based" programming but all he used was the hand held programmer, he didn't hook it up to a laptop or anything. He just plugged it straight into the chair and made the changes I wanted.

My vendor rep I've been dealing with should be back into the office now so I'm waiting to hear back from him on this programmer issue and see what HE says about this whole programmer issue.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby expresso » 26 Dec 2017, 22:58

thats about the best you maybe able to get with them - its dealer level - and not cheap - theres the other one for $750 right under that one - says programming disk with cable - not sure if thats with the PC programming - and or if thats any other level other than dealer - now worse case - dealer can be better than nothing at all - but you may have the options to do what the dealer programmer does on your Joystick maybe - you should ask them - -

in that case if you had that option on your Joystick - you can at least make your own changes on your own - still dealer level - its called OBP - on board programming - but i am not sure if Pride does that or allows that on there chairs - it works on R net chairs - but it would have to be UNLOCKED by a programmer other than dealer level -

i would think PRIDE needs to unlock that OBP - and then you can access it on your own with no hand held device or anyone else - this is only if Pride has that option built in - you have to ask - if it does and they can unlock it for you - then you can save the money at least from buying a dealer level programmer
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 26 Dec 2017, 23:14

I'm used to the joystick being proportional in that if I push it all the way forward immediately it goes "right now" not sit and think about it for a second and then go.

No you are not. You would need access to an OEM level tool, and change a lot of settings that are otherwise not visible or have limits, walls, etc. The only way to make steering accurate and proportional for eg would be to set at least 4 turn acceleration settings to 100. And its the same for forward, reverse, braking, smoothing, etc. So while you may think you had a proportional linear setup it can only have been a fraction as good as is actually possible.

He went in and changed that for me. We were talking about the programming and the programmer and such and when he was done I asked him to let me see the hand held programmer he was using. I took a look at the back and the part/model number. It WAS the $545 programmer (part number: ELEASMB6976) listed on the PDF order form for the Quantum Q6 Edge 2.0 chair on page 5 about half way down the page.


Of course it was. Its a dumbed down dealer/end user tool. Its the only one pride "allow". They should have given it to you. For what its worth.
And the OEM tools are firmly hidden away, and can only be changed by them as we are not worthy! Which is why I always buy programmer first, then the chair once I have that tool in my hands... I would not be able to live with that programming that you are forced into using.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby expresso » 27 Dec 2017, 00:23

BM your right - But if someone who has a PRIDE already - and if theres no other way around getting this OEM etc, - having a dealer level or if it can have OBP enabled - its better than nothing at all - you can sill set the basic turning - forward etc, to 100 -

even if its limited on the OEM settings for those functions - it will still ride and feel a Tons better than just stock - if you cant do it yourself - then the vendor - dealer has to bring the programmer to do it the best it can be - even if he has to make a dozen trips or spend a few hours with you to get it as best it can be -


from now on - once you know this - best is just Avoid Pride chairs - in the future - but for the few who already have pride - they have to put more pressure to get it programmed to there needs -
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Burgerman » 27 Dec 2017, 00:33

BM your right - But if someone who has a PRIDE already - and if theres no other way around getting this OEM etc, - having a dealer level or if it can have OBP enabled - its better than nothing at all - you can sill set the basic turning - forward etc, to 100 -


2 issues with that.
a) that depends on the limits or walls that are configured to limit possible settings.
b) that depends on actually being able to force the dealer to set all turn accelerations, turn deceleration settings on all profiles and at low and high speeds to a high enough accel / decel setting, typically 100. From exp they will only tinker around the edges and dont understand what they are doing. Even if the dealer version isnt restricted bt walls.
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby expresso » 27 Dec 2017, 00:46

if theres no other way - you have to make the best of it - if you cant have the wall removed - then nothing you can do and just have them turn it up on dealer level to 100

you have to tell the vendor or tech who comes to do it - this is how you need it and you can show them after that its fine - i know my tech. he would do what ever i asked him to do -

too bad hes no longer with the company - i still keep in touch with him - thats always a good thing - bottom line - Pride makes it hard for the user - and most users dont even bother or care about this - its the few who do - thats fustrating not being to have some control of your chair - i would keep pressing them over and over till its the way i like it -

if they have to send someone from PRIDE with this OEM that they say theres no such thing - then they have to do it - i wouldnt stress it too much if they can at least get it to ride enough for the user to be OK with it - and then never get another Pride again -
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Re: Are The Q6 Edge and Q6 Edge 2 Good Chairs?

Postby Soulrider » 28 Dec 2017, 17:49

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expresso wrote: in that case if you had that option on your Joystick - you can at least make your own changes on your own - still dealer level - its called OBP - on board programming - but i am not sure if Pride does that or allows that on there chairs - it works on R net chairs - but it would have to be UNLOCKED by a programmer other than dealer level -

i would think PRIDE needs to unlock that OBP - and then you can access it on your own with no hand held device or anyone else - this is only if Pride has that option built in - you have to ask - if it does and they can unlock it for you - then you can save the money at least from buying a dealer level programmer


Yeah, they have something called "Clinician Mode" which from the Youtube videos I've seen on it is a basic level of programming that can be done right on the controller. It's for therapists and others to make certain changes (probably not OEM level changes but some). You can hook up other "tools" to accomplish it but I believe you can do it right from the joystick. To get into it (with the controller off) you push the ON/OFF switch forward to the ON position and hold it there for several seconds. It then goes into "Clinician Mode" IF that mode is turned on. The videos I've watched say that "Clinician mode" is turned off at the factory by default and that they need to turn it on for it work. So, I thought I'd check it for the heck of it. I pushed the on/off switch forward and held it there. It comes up with, "Input Selection - Hand Control" If you do nothing it starts to flash, "Please give Left-Right-Left command. Now I tried doing a Left-Right-Left with the joystick but it does nothing. It either goes back to flashing the previous "give left-right-left" command message or it just drops out of Clinician Mode and goes back to the regular home screen. So I assume that they either have Clinician Mode locked out and/or you have to plug something ELSE into the controller like another type of joystick and maybe the regular controller joystick isn't the one the message is talking about because again, doing a left-right-left doesn't do anything.
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