by Sully » 10 Jan 2016, 19:01
Sorry I lost track of this thread.
If you have a tradesman in your wealth of friends, try to hire some of this stuff done. Frames might be sought from some of the Used Wheelchair parts dealers who trade on eBay. This might be a cheaper way out. But if these ideas become popular, then the demand for them will go up. 646 frames once went relatively cheap in the USA, no more though. Those guys read this site and ghost readers and silent builders increase the demand as well. What is sad they don't share their experiences with everyone, we can all learn from that. They either think someone will think they are foolish, or they are selfish and keep this knowledge to themselves.
There are plenty of idea's on eBay to make a modified Ranger. if you narrow a straight frame to enable using wider drive wheels then you pretty much have to widen the front wheels to maintain stability. I don't have the computer skills to draw what I am speaking about. And I do not have any pictures and won'y have for quite a while. Since I moved 1500 miles south i do not have the support people or the tools I shed when I made this move, that I had up North, and my efforts take "two forevers" to come to fruition.
But to widen an Invacare, that is an add on, figure what added width you require, buy a piece of box tubing 1/2" X 1 1/2" the same width of the original OD of the original castor mounts. using the original castor mounts, you can drill your box tubing and put a bolt up (I believe they are 5/8") through the bearings and using thick washers, on the top of the mounts. tighten the whole mess up through the original castor mounts. Remember we go at a maximum of 8 or so miles an hour, a good able runner can run faster, so brute strength of monster welds is not as important. Now you have to concoct your own mounts, or cut off some Castor mounts off a frame, then get them welded on to this piece you made, to the same outside measurement of the wider rear tires . The Box tubing will give you a place to make a foot rest or if your legs are like mine they try to curl under the chair, so you can use the tubing to actually rest your feet. This is not a glamorous looking arrangement. But it only sticks out from the side of the frame a couple of inches or less, so the cantilever like strength is immaterial. But this arrangement is rather simple. Another aside, No marketed frame is in my opinion more adaptable to make a glamorous and maybe useful as well as the one that John uses. "I am NOT trying to replace that" only trying to make an inexpensive off road or beach chair.
If someone is creating a strictly out door chair I plan to extend the front castors to lessen the weight bearing on the castors. They are the single thing that bog you down in soft going. You also want to use different castor tires and wheels for the front also. 6 to 8 inches forward is quite a bit, and for soft sugar sand a foot forward may not be too much. Nice wide tires are imperative for this, and maintaining at least the original maximum outside width so the wheels and tires are parallel will maintain stability, and will allow you to pass through most doorways. However it will very much narrow your turning radius. That is for the most part unimportant on a beach.
I want to remove the upper seating tubing, because of the height we added below. If you ever decide to use LiFePO4 batteries then you will also remove some bottom weight. Just how much you have to compensate for that may or may not become an issue. I cannot see how anything could cause more problems than Pb/lead batteries. But some weight can be added to the underside of the battery if that becomes necessary. (COG) Minor amounts of weight and height may big differences in Center Of Gravity (COG) so if you add some height, you might try to compensate by lowering and lightening the upper structure. And I have been looking for a seat similar to what I added to a dirt race car. it was a formed fiber glass comfortable seat, weighing less than two pounds (1 kilo) (eBay fishing seats or the big box stores). Since the box frame of the chair is now narrowed a bit flat stock can be used to bolt it down and fasten some seat belt of your choice if you want. In the dirt track car I used some three point seat belts with this seat. When you are out "four wheeling" slipping side ways is a possibility, "my" lateral stability" seated is shaky. And since I just had my cervical spine fused I do not need more problems or pain from that. I do not want to flip myself out of these things. The longer you make these things the less opportunity you have to flip it backwards as well. But if you make too long you may not be able to visit the beach Pubs or Bars! Lots of activity there, and an old man in a powered beach chair sometimes get some attention!!! Where you have steel against steel use plastic/nylon washers that will reduce squeaking or steel against steel. The ideas I have and want to build, can be fabricated in pieces and added (Bolted)to a standard framed Invacare chair.