I notice you never answered my few obvious simple question yet again???
This is why I think this conversation cant continue. You have no understanding
You seem to view capitalism and socialism at odds to each other. Kinda of a north and south opposing forces.
Because thats
EXACTLY what they are!!! How can I discuss this with you???
One promotes ownership of everything you want, and allows free trade and allows you to start, run, and own your businesses, you get to keep the money.
The other is the absolute polar opposite. It wants the state to own everything, every business, every fridge, car, house and it takes these into state ownership. It tells you what job you will do where you will live, and pays you a fixed wage that matches everyone else.
But you know all too well when controlled and directed the opposing forces work well together.
No. You cannot have a socialist economy. It destroys all will to work, will to own anything, will to develop a business or a product. It also means that even if you earn some money, you cant have anything. The shops are empty. So nobody bothers to work.
If you start adding socialism in
small amounts, as you
must to feed the needy etc you do the following.
You reduce business efficiency, investment, the will to open another factory or develop a better widget as it costs. Why bother, the government just tax you more anyway. Or take the money you need to do it.
Its not a switch. Theres no ON/OFF. Its a matter of degree. Steal another 2 percent from the rich, from businesses, and do 10 percent more damage to the economy a few years down the line. And long term you become less rich as a COUNTRY meaning theres less tax or money now anyhow. Shot yourself in the foot. And less overseas income to balance the books as you only have outdated overpriced goods, non of this nice GDP cash left to to give to the poor. In other words you put the brake on, even if its slight. The net result of this is higher prices, less competition, less pressure on getting good employees as theres loads without a job. So wages fall the earners earn less, pay less tax etc. Taking money from the rich. Or from the profits of companies makes the POOR worse off a few years later. This is called socialism. Look it up!
Every time you take from the top to give to the bottom, called wealth redistribution, you damage the economy long term. All the 1950s socialist countries, are now gone bar about 4. Why do you think this is? Or is your head still full of that fluffy cloud?
The problem with you is you want the direction and control to only favor a rich minority.
They are not favored. They are rich because they worked for it as you can. You can too. Thats why America is the worlds richest country. In spite of the fact that they EMPLOY all the others, and took all the risk, and gave all the employees job security, unemployment pay, a fixed guaranteed wage, and designed or invented the business/product and may have worked to death, risked their house, you think its fair that they should all pay not only much more tax DOLLARS on income, but also tax on anything their business makes too! You still failed to tell me why you think they owe you a free ride?
You see no problem taxing the populace at a higher rate, in relation to income, than the rich minority.
You are fixating on RATE again. You must be stupid. We already worked out that the 1% pay hundreds of times (probably 1000s of times) more tax than you do in
DOLLARS. Why should they prop up your feeble efforts? Not everyone is equal, some put more into it. You always fail to tell me why they need to pay more than you for say a school?
The money from this disproportionate taxation is then used to support the working poor in ways that allow the rich minority to employ the working poor at wages that keep them poor. In the end it sounds like double talk but that is what you support.
Disproportionate how?
You mean the fact that they are already paying HUNDREDS OF TIMES more tax than you do directly, and often thousands of times this indirectly by employing workers, buying materials, building factories, buying vehicles, etc. And that you employ nobody and buy almost nothing. If they decide not to bother any more, your stable job, your guaranteed wage, your holiday pay. Your workers rights. All gone! You still have never told me why you think that they owe you anything?
There are far too many examples of how the populace is kept poor through taxation for the benefit of the wealthy minority.
Show one.
taxation is then used to support the working poor in ways that allow the rich minority to employ the working poor at wages that keep them poor.
What were you on when you wrote that?
Taxation is GIVEN to the poor. That makes them poorer how?
