Q logic/Curtis Cable end

[laoshanren]

Q logic one works. Not sure all parameters are available on qlogic2?

Thanks Burgerman,

My chiar is Q logic one I guess.
May I use the connector from the charger, to add two pins in?

Best
Adam

[laoshanren]

Woody, The best I can do is the Spring pins a 25 mm x 0.053. The holes are 4 mm OC apart and 8 mm up from the centre of the bottom pin. The spring end sticks out 9 mm Very hard to get an more accurate measure. The spring end of the pin is a smaller diameter so there is some play there. I used a 0.051 drill and some Crazy Glue. Hope I can get the cable stuff mastered. Might be back to you with some questions.

Hi Seajays,
I made a model see if the size match?
thanks

[laoshanren]

This post is purely to help anyone searching the forum..

Q-Logic and Curtis discussion has moved threads.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1965&start=100#p26123

For those that want a mobility scooter serial interface ....

The attachment KPG4 OK.JPG is no longer available

Hi woodygb thanks,
May I take a shortcut, I made a connector like the picture:
1. whats the other end should do, soldering to a USB? or need use the IC1 MAX 232?
2. what software should I use? or any thing else ?

Best
Adam

[c500user]

If you have any spare connectors, I would love to buy one for my Otto Bock C2000. I blew up a canbus/usb adapter some time ago mucking around with pins soldered to wires

[woodygb]

This post is purely to help anyone searching the forum..

Q-Logic and Curtis discussion has moved threads.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1965&start=100#p26123

For those that want a mobility scooter serial interface ....

KPG4 OK.JPG

Hi woodygb thanks,
May I take a shortcut, I made a connector like the picture:
1. whats the other end should do, soldering to a USB? or need use the IC1 MAX 232?
2. what software should I use? or any thing else ?

Best
Adam

All you need is one of these ..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-CAN-USB-to- ... 0899053368
AND the DLL from this link.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2757&start=340#p73389

FOLLOW THIS GUIDE.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2757

NOTE THAT THERE APPEARS TO BE 2 TYPES OF THIS CAN

Some info for you here on the newer USB-CAN...
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2757&start=340#p73334

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2757&start=360#p87375


Cheers Woody

[woodygb]

@ laoshanren ,

The 2 programming pins can have either a Serial communication protocol OR a CanBus communication protocol depending on the control system.

What control system do you have?

[laoshanren]

@ laoshanren ,

The 2 programming pins can have either a Serial communication protocol OR a CanBus communication protocol depending on the control system.

What control system do you have?

Perfect, thank you woodygb,
I will prepare to order the adapter.
My chair is Q6 EDGE, and used the joystick and attendance joystick as the pictures attached. Sorry I don't even know what control system is used, can you help me to figure out it based on the joysticks?

Best

[Burgerman]

Q logic https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... rmat=1500w

Q logic 2 https://www.alliedmedical.co.nz/media/1 ... oduct.ashx
And some options may not be available...

Q Logic 3 http://www.quantumrehab.com/images/quan ... larger.jpg
Run away very fast.

All made not by pride/quantum, but by curtis instruments https://www.curtisinst.co.uk/news/curti ... ol-system/

As fitted to THESE chairs in UK https://www.quantumrehab.co.uk/quantum- ... hairs.html
And similar ones with different names in the US.

[laoshanren]

Q logic https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... rmat=1500w

Q logic 2 https://www.alliedmedical.co.nz/media/1 ... oduct.ashx
And some options may not be available...

Q Logic 3 http://www.quantumrehab.com/images/quan ... larger.jpg
Run away very fast.

All made not by pride/quantum, but by curtis instruments https://www.curtisinst.co.uk/news/curti ... ol-system/

As fitted to THESE chairs in UK https://www.quantumrehab.co.uk/quantum- ... hairs.html
And similar ones with different names in the US.

Thank you Burgerman,

I will verify what system in my chair. still few questions:
1. I am wonder even I connect my chair to my pc, how to correct my chair to a run status? right now it stay in STOP LIGHT red? just put back the original program? actually I don't have it yet.
2. do you know what language used in these chairs? Assembly language？
3. for now, may I use a Q6 wheelchair for the Q6 edge? Q6 joystick as pictures attached.

Best
Adam

[Burgerman]

Still unsure what you are doing...

[laoshanren]

Still unsure what you are doing...

Hi Burgerman,
Right now I just want my chair be able to run, it was running well till some day the STOP LIGHT red on.
my chair is Q logic.
Thanks
Adam

[rover220]

Those pics are of a vr2 setup. Easily programmable.

[laoshanren]

Those pics are of a vr2 setup. Easily programmable.

Hi rover220 thanks
The pictures shown my another chair's joystick, it is Q6 and not be used for many years. I just wonder if I can use this joystick to operate my Q6 EDGE chair?
Best
Adam

[woodygb]

Adam,
You cannot mix and match joysticks or controllers from different manufacturers or types from the same manufacturer.

enAble® 40 , enAble® 50 or Q-logic made by Curtis and used Pride and Ottobock.
Q-logic 3 made by Curtis used by Pride.

Pilot+,VR2,Vsi and R-net are made by Penny and Giles now owned by Curtiss-Wright .http://www.cw-industrialgroup.com/About ... ology.aspx

DX , DX2 Shark and LiNX made by Dynamic . https://dynamiccontrols.com/en/

The above are the main wheelchair control manufacturers.... but there are others.

[laoshanren]

Adam,
You cannot mix and match joysticks or controllers from different manufacturers or types from the same manufacturer.

enAble® 40 , enAble® 50 or Q-logic made by Curtis and used Pride and Ottobock.
Q-logic 3 made by Curtis used by Pride.

Pilot+,VR2,Vsi and R-net are made by Penny and Giles now owned by Curtiss-Wright .http://www.cw-industrialgroup.com/About ... ology.aspx

DX , DX2 Shark and LiNX made by Dynamic . https://dynamiccontrols.com/en/

The above are the main wheelchair control manufacturers.... but there are others.

Hi woodygb thank you.
I bought a used wheelchair and separated it and used the motors and Q-logic, but now the joystick stayed at the STOP LIGHT red on.
All things I do is try to remove the red light. or I have to change another one.
I was trying to do program, also for remove the red light even I don't how to do yet.
Do you have this experience？
Best
Adam

[woodygb]

Hi Adam,
Unfortunately your description of the problem doesn't really help and isn't something I have come across.

You posted a picture/drawing of the RED stop light ....

could you please provide a link to where you found this.

Woody

[laoshanren]

Hi Adam,
Unfortunately your description of the problem doesn't really help and isn't something I have come across.

You posted a picture/drawing of the RED stop light ....

could you please provide a link to where you found this.

Woody

Hi woodygb thanks.

It is very difficult to find that, the only one location mentioned "STOP　LIGHT" in a PDF file of 'Q6 edge -Logic_Technical_Manual' I download from: http://javafoundry.com/home/Q-Logic_Tec ... Manual.pdf

see if you can get some clues from it how I can remove the red light?　That picture in page 13.

Best
Adam

[woodygb]

Seat Screen (see figure 7): In this example, the seat and back are yellow, indicating
that tilt actions are now possible. Note that the red circle in the “traffic light” is lit,
which means driving is prohibited-probably because the tilt has gone beyond the
allowable threshold for driving. If the user wishes to drive the chair, the chair will first
need to be returned to a driveable position.

[laoshanren]

Seat Screen (see figure 7): In this example, the seat and back are yellow, indicating
that tilt actions are now possible. Note that the red circle in the “traffic light” is lit,
which means driving is prohibited-probably because the tilt has gone beyond the
allowable threshold for driving. If the user wishes to drive the chair, the chair will first
need to be returned to a driveable position.

hi woodygb thanks,

I tried it, it is some thing wrong i guess.
firstly, no much selection from yellow mark, the back always yellow, and the seat be able to select, then when push the joystick forward, one port can move the linear actuator forward only, no backward when pull joystick back.
secondly, I tried to move two of the linear actuators both to each end and middle location, nothing changes.

best
adam

[LROBBINS]

Somewhere there seems to be a sensor that is telling the chair that the seat is up even when its not. You will have to find that sensor, figure out what it is, and find out how to either fix it or get the system to ignore it. Programming software may allow you to tell the system to ignore the sensor(s).

[laoshanren]

Somewhere there seems to be a sensor that is telling the chair that the seat is up even when its not. You will have to find that sensor, figure out what it is, and find out how to either fix it or get the system to ignore it. Programming software may allow you to tell the system to ignore the sensor(s).

Hi LROBBINS thanks,

There are two limit switch in two ends of the linear actuators, just cut off when the movement to the ends.
I didn't see ant sensor, and there do not have any wires for them.

Best
Adam

[Burgerman]

Many systems sens end travel by monitoring current to detect end points too. Adjustable in programming. And while the actuator may have end point detection that does not rule out a magnetic, or other sensor on the seating mechanism too.

[laoshanren]

Many systems sens end travel by monitoring current to detect end points too. Adjustable in programming. And while the actuator may have end point detection that does not rule out a magnetic, or other sensor on the seating mechanism too.

Hi Burgerman thanks

I did more test, let the linear actuator both TILT and Recline go to the end, and shift their port [because the joystick only works one way] and go to the other end, it did, and still red light on.
When the linear actuator go to the end stop there, I can hear the switch click.

I bought another Q6 edge yesterday, so now, can I just use the joystick from the now chair on my old? where is the program stored ? in joystick or in the power module?

Best
Adam

[laoshanren]

Hi,
The new bought Q6 edge has a new problem, error code #225 see picture,
can any one tell how to : Execute Save System Configuration function?
Best
Adam

[laoshanren]

This post is purely to help anyone searching the forum..

Q-Logic and Curtis discussion has moved threads.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1965&start=100#p26123

For those that want a mobility scooter serial interface ....

KPG4 OK.JPG

Hi woodygb thanks,
May I take a shortcut, I made a connector like the picture:
1. whats the other end should do, soldering to a USB? or need use the IC1 MAX 232?
2. what software should I use? or any thing else ?

Best
Adam

All you need is one of these ..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-CAN-USB-to- ... 0899053368
AND the DLL from this link.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2757&start=340#p73389

FOLLOW THIS GUIDE.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2757

NOTE THAT THERE APPEARS TO BE 2 TYPES OF THIS CAN

Some info for you here on the newer USB-CAN...
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2757&start=340#p73334

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2757&start=360#p87375


Cheers Woody

Hi woodygb thanks
Some body said the program need a dangle or it just can do little work, it that true?
Thanks
Adam

[laoshanren]

Many systems sens end travel by monitoring current to detect end points too. Adjustable in programming. And while the actuator may have end point detection that does not rule out a magnetic, or other sensor on the seating mechanism too.

Hi Burgerman thanks
Please help me at:
1. where the program stored, power module / advanced actuators module / joystick?
2. what the 'advanced actuators module' mean? just a name or some thing advanced?
3. is it true on wheelchair, the user can't much except operate, any error must call service?
Best
Adam

[LROBBINS]

A chair user can check all the cables and connectors - contacts clean and not burned, all wires showing connectivity with an ohmmeter. It is sometimes possible to diagnose electronics problems by reading the flash codes (the chair's manual should explain them, and a technical manual may also be downloadable). A programmer can give some more diagnostic help because it shows more detail.

Repairs internal to the electronics modules are difficult because no one except the manufacturer has the schematics. Technicians will just swap modules, too often without doing any diagnosis at all before this, until they find the one that failed.

The AAM is a module that controls your seat actuators in response to commands from the rest of the system. If you trace all the wires going form the AAM you may be able to locate the position sensors.

I think that P&G stores the main program in the power module, and know that Dynamic stores it in the handset and only stores motor-specific parameters in the power module. Dynamic DX actually stores backup copies of everything in both of those modules to help restore things if something gets corrupted and to make it easier to program a new module with the copy of the user-tuned parameters in the other one. Do note that the modules are connected as a network and it doesn't matter where you plug in a programmer or programming lead - it will read all settings no matter where they are stored.

Unless you are a very sophisticated hacker, however, don't expect to be able to decipher the messages on that network; those messages are proprietary. The only protocol that has been pretty completely cracked is for the Dynamic Shark, but that is a simpler set of messages and simpler signal structure than in most systems. Also, do realize that what you can read and or set with a programmer are user parameters - you are not going to have access to the program that runs the microprocessor. Oh, someone might be able to read the binary code, but without the source files what good will that do if your not part of a government cyber espionage agency? To change that core program (sometimes called "firmware") you'd need the source code and the same compiler, linker and tool chain that was used to create it in the first place.

[laoshanren]

A chair user can check all the cables and connectors - contacts clean and not burned, all wires showing connectivity with an ohmmeter. It is sometimes possible to diagnose electronics problems by reading the flash codes (the chair's manual should explain them, and a technical manual may also be downloadable). A programmer can give some more diagnostic help because it shows more detail.

Repairs internal to the electronics modules are difficult because no one except the manufacturer has the schematics. Technicians will just swap modules, too often without doing any diagnosis at all before this, until they find the one that failed.

The AAM is a module that controls your seat actuators in response to commands from the rest of the system. If you trace all the wires going form the AAM you may be able to locate the position sensors.

I think that P&G stores the main program in the power module, and know that Dynamic stores it in the handset and only stores motor-specific parameters in the power module. Dynamic DX actually stores backup copies of everything in both of those modules to help restore things if something gets corrupted and to make it easier to program a new module with the copy of the user-tuned parameters in the other one. Do note that the modules are connected as a network and it doesn't matter where you plug in a programmer or programming lead - it will read all settings no matter where they are stored.

Unless you are a very sophisticated hacker, however, don't expect to be able to decipher the messages on that network; those messages are proprietary. The only protocol that has been pretty completely cracked is for the Dynamic Shark, but that is a simpler set of messages and simpler signal structure than in most systems. Also, do realize that what you can read and or set with a programmer are user parameters - you are not going to have access to the program that runs the microprocessor. Oh, someone might be able to read the binary code, but without the source files what good will that do if your not part of a government cyber espionage agency? To change that core program (sometimes called "firmware") you'd need the source code and the same compiler, linker and tool chain that was used to create it in the first place.

Hi LROBBINS thanks

Firstly I would claim that I don't want to do any decipher or hacker any thing. actually I don't know much about it things.
All I need is to let my chair work. The reason I asked where the program stored is I am trying to buy that module to replace my existing one to make my chair running.

I call the local service, seems their busy and no time for me. I just stuck here, I don't if I buy my third chair can be OK?
Best
Adam

[LROBBINS]

(1) You don't actually know that the program is bad. (2) You could have a bad position sensor, wire, or connector. (3) Changing the module that has the program will also probably give you a differently set up program - you will still have to use a programmer to adjust the settings to your needs, (4) a bad module that doesn't contain the program will also cause problems - a bad AAM for exsample. You really need to do some diagnosis an try to find out what is actually faulty.

[laoshanren]

(1) You don't actually know that the program is bad. (2) You could have a bad position sensor, wire, or connector. (3) Changing the module that has the program will also probably give you a differently set up program - you will still have to use a programmer to adjust the settings to your needs, (4) a bad module that doesn't contain the program will also cause problems - a bad AAM for exsample. You really need to do some diagnosis an try to find out what is actually faulty.

Hi LROBBINS thanks,

You are right, I don't know whats wrong, program? bad position of sensor? I checked wires and connectors, didn't find any evidence.
I don't even think the program wrong, so in my opinion the bad position of sensor is probably the reason, is the reprogram the only method to solve it?

I didn't find any sensor, if there are some kind of sensor build in, where can be? power module or AAW?

Best
Adam