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Postby Burgerman » 31 Oct 2017, 22:08

Watch the news. Attack by muslims, shouting "alans snackbar" and the police say its a "terrorist attack" and that "they have no idea of a motive"!

See, you get the same politically correct bollocks we do. Its was an attack by a koran following muslim doing what his book told him. But they will never say that. They will talk about terrorist groups, lone wolves, yada yada and oh yes, mental illness. All muslims are mentally ill apparently. Or 25 percent of em.

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Postby rustyjames » 31 Oct 2017, 23:13

Those pics certainly illustrate what's happening. One thing we can expect is that there will be a lot more of these attacks to occur.
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Postby Burgerman » 31 Oct 2017, 23:43

Well as long as the liberal west keep on inviting more and more of these 8th century backward violent ideology muslims in, you can expect more problems as time goes on.

After all, they actually believe they are superior, are invading you and taking over, and make no mistake they want YOU dead. Its just exactly as they say, and their book tells them. Not all of them. Just the ones that really believe their book. And thats around 25 percent of the worlds muslims that support the violence even if not "active:.. According to all the main western worlds intelligence services.

Instead of facing the real problem, the religion, the koran, and so muslims. They the liberal leaders, media, politically correct idiots all keep trying to say its all about isis, or boko haraam or one of the other 75 or so violent groups (of muslims). But its not. ISIS are simply muslims that believe their book. So any muslim at any time may spring up and attack innocent people in "support" of isis. They were doing this for 12 centuries, in their own countries to each other, and worldwide when they could. Long before the west attacked isis/other since they didnt yet exist. Its all about being politically correct. After all it *cant* be the whole religion can it? But it is. banghead

By the way, insulting islam means our way of life. Thats enough. They dont like how we live. And it "insults" them...

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THIS ONE kind of sums it up nicely! The religion of peices!

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Postby Burgerman » 01 Nov 2017, 00:17

These two havent got the hang of it

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Postby Burgerman » 01 Nov 2017, 04:55

Well. So far, they have not mentioned the M word once, claim that he was "radicalised" as usual (meaning someone flipped the cuddly muslim to violent muslim switch) and claimed it was ISIS. And they are saying that they are trying to find out what the motive was. banghead

How about this. He read his book properly, :worship figured out that this was the same thing isis (and all the rest of the violent groups did) and got all triggered! And so "helped"... Not so hard is it.

They even have trump using all the right language now. He also cant say the M word. But until they admit that this is a problem of the muslim religion they will just keep on ignoring the actual cause and pretending its something it isnt. As the EU have been doing for 15 to 20 years.
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Postby motoman » 01 Nov 2017, 15:49

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Postby expresso » 02 Nov 2017, 03:56

that happened right where i usually ride - its close to home - i was home - too cold for me to ride around - i seen it on the News when it happened around 3 pm i got texted - seen it on computer and then news -

i dont trust those people - dont care for them - what can i say - they earned there reputation and need to earn the trust again if ever - i dont think it ever will -

now i have to watch out in the bike lanes also - another reason to need a Fast chair - i think in this case it wouldnt have mattered - glad no chair users where there -

BM - one time you posted a list of text taken from there so called Koran etc, - if you still have it - can you link me to it or repost it -

i want to print it out and show someone who i have this talk about it all the time - same story - i say they are all Bad and cant be trusted - the other says its not all of them - and the Koran dosnt say that - so i want to prove it to him - make sure its correct now what you post - coming right from the Koran -

this way - i can put it to the test - and force him to show me the Koran and we can go right to the spot and show him - hes not muslim - but we had this discussion before - he knows what i mean - i am sure - i bet he wont do it -

if you can - repost it - thanks
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Postby Burgerman » 02 Nov 2017, 17:20

Its not all of them. That doesent matter. Its never all of them. A tiny percentage is all it took for the nazis to murder milions.

The quran as violence cover to cover. Do you mean the few bits I posted?
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Postby expresso » 02 Nov 2017, 22:33

Burgerman wrote:Its not all of them. That doesent matter. Its never all of them. A tiny percentage is all it took for the nazis to murder milions.

The quran as violence cover to cover. Do you mean the few bits I posted?



well i say its enough of them - yes the few bits you posted before once - just make sure it is from the Koran - so i can prove it if the koran is shown to compare
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Postby Burgerman » 02 Nov 2017, 22:52

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/page ... lence.aspx

Heres 109 verses promoting the death and destruction, and abuse of unbelievers, women etc.

In that you will find this:

What true Muslims are instructed to do by their Koran with references:

Kill any one who insults Islam or Mohammad. (Koran.33;57-61).
Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57).
Koran can not be doubted. (Koran.2;1).
Islam is the only acceptable religion. (Koran.3;85).
Muslims must fight (jihad) to non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216).
We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166).
We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51).
We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101).
The non-Muslims can be raped as sex slave. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30).

We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6).
Muslim must terrorized us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhari.4;52;220).
Muslims must strike terror into non-Muslims hearts. (Koran.8;60).
Muslims must lie to us (non-Muslims) to strengthen and spread Islam. (Koran.3;28?16;106).
Muslims are allowed to behead us (non_Muslims) (Koran.47;4).
Muslims are guaranteed to go to heaven if they kill us (non-Muslims). (Koran.9;111).
Marrying and divorcing pre-pubescent children is OK. (Koran.65;4).
Wife beating is OK. (Koran.4;34).
Raping wives is OK. (Koran.2;223).
Proving rape requires 4 (four) male Muslim witnesses. (Koran.24;13).
Muslims are allowed to crucify and amputate us (non-Muslims). Koran.8;12/47;4).

And plenty more. And thios is EXACTLY what they do, and why they have been doing it for 8 centuries. To each other (the ones that believe it "properly" murder the less devout or moderate musliums. A NON muslim means you, and I, and all muslims that dont believe in or more likely have never actually read the koran.


What does that tell you about Islam?
And unlike the bible for eg, there’s no NEW Testament that claims that the first one is nonsense, no reformation etc. So they kill...
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Postby Burgerman » 02 Nov 2017, 22:54

It also CLAIMS it’s the true word of god and is not to be interpreted. And the final last true solution.

THE IDEA THAT ITS JUST A FEW NUTTERS and that most Muslims are 'nice' is absolutely wrong.
Just scan the following for a few seconds:



ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified compared to 14% of those over 45.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images ... n%2007.pdf

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-ye ... r-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/ ... fanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 51,00.html


World Public Opinion:
83% of Egyptians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Indonesians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on American troops.
68% of Moroccans approve of attacks on American troops.
90% of Palestinians approve of attacks on American troops.
72% of Jordanians approve of attacks on American troops.
52% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (39% oppose)



A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on American troops.
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

World Public Opinion (2009): 30% of Palestinians support attacks on American civilians working in Muslim countries. 24% support the murder of Americans on U.S. soil.
Only 74% of Turks and 55% of Pakistanis disapprove of terror attacks against civilians on U.S. soil.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010):
55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010):
60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010):
15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/art ... baar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006):
12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Pew Research (2007):
26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-as ... df#page=60

Pew Research (2011):
8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Pew Research (2007):
Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-as ... df#page=60

Just 27% of British Muslims do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... amist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies:
About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

ICM Poll:
25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Populus Poll (2006):
16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist


World Public Opinion:
Majorities in Egypt (63%) and Libya (61%) supported the 9/11/2012 attacks against American embassies, including Benghazi.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... d=&pnt=727

Pew Research (2013):
At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013):
15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

PCPO (2014):
89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll- ... on-israely

Pew Research (2013):
Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/mus ... st-groups/

BBC Radio (2015):
45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio ... slim-poll/

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015):
74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/support-fo ... oll-shows/

Pew Research (2014):
47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/con ... ddle-east/


The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015):
19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015):
25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Sun (2015):
Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -poll.html

ICM (2016):
2 in 3 Muslims in Britain would not report terror plot to police.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/a ... 730825.ece

There are 100s more but you get the idea.


This isn't a minority of Muslim nutters – so called ‘extremists’. This is a delusional religion of violence. There is no nice way to view this if you look at the actual figures and acts. It simply is what it is. It’s true there are moderate Muslims. Those that choose to ignore the violent instructions. But real Muslims want them dead and do exactly that to moderate Muslims daily. Theirs is moderate Muslims, but no moderate Islam.
Ominously the Koran proclaims to be the final, last version. And written by god himself and not subject to interpretation. Which is why the so called “radicalised Muslims” are the real Muslims. And why they feel they have the right to maim torture and kill all those that don’t obey it/them to the letter. And why they want to turn the world into ‘true’ Muslims. They are INSTRUCTED to do so. They want you to be the same or they want you dead. And will kill you. They prove this daily worldwide, mostly ignored by the media.
The leftist liberal biased media and political elites continue to push the illusion that most Muslims are nice people. And that a few have gone off the rails 'radicalised'... It’s plainly not true.
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Postby expresso » 02 Nov 2017, 23:13

oh i believe it - but thats too much for me to present - the first post with enough verses - fits on one page - i can print that and use that to compare if anyone says thats not what it say - i says then show me the Koran and we can check it together and prove that person wrong

i dont trust them - anyone with that kind beard - to me is not to be trusted EVER - or even without - its a judgment call i make when i look at someone -

one time i was at Coney island - beach in brklyn - theres a russian section so back when they invaded and took over the Ukrain etc, - we got into that for a moment - i heard his voice - i said your from Ukrain - he changed his demeanor after that - got loud - hated them - etc, etc, -

i burned it in him a few mins to get him upset and left after :lol: not the same as the islam but you get the idea -
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Re: Muslims attack in new york.

Postby expresso » 02 Nov 2017, 23:18

i was out side today - i ride that area ALL the time - where this happened - i could have been there easily - or my friends - and theres no where to run or hide in most sections - even if you had time to move - there was no way i would have been able to move fast enough -

first you feel safe - off the road traffice et, - mostly people - bikes and chairs - can get crowded also - but never felt worried - now i have to watch where i ride and see if i can find any weak areas and watch out -

but what can you do really - if a car or truck doing 87 miles a hour comes from behind - you cant do anything - you wont even know it till your dead

if its comin at you in front of you - same thing - the chances you wont be able to get out of the way - -and dead -
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Postby expresso » 03 Nov 2017, 00:15

i was just told the Koran section 223 - dosnt say rape is alllowed your list does - it was googled though - so cant be sure - need the book to compare for sure
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Postby Burgerman » 03 Nov 2017, 01:41

Theres loads of sanitized, apologist, rewritten to sound nice, pages on the net claiming its a religion of peice. Thats why they kill you for disagreeing! Kind of shoot themselves in the foot!

This is all taken from a koran (at least he claims it is), and it all sounds horribly familiar from when I read it in school. So I doubt he is lying.

But get a copy and read it.

Heres a few.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to claim that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous - the actual Arabic words for persecution (idtihad) - and oppression are not used instead of fitna. Fitna can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. A strict translation is 'sedition,' meaning rebellion against authority (the authority being Allah). This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief. [Editor's note: these notes have been modified slightly after a critic misinterpreted our language. Verse 193 plainly says that 'fighting' is sanctioned even if the fitna 'ceases'. This is about religious order, not real persecution.]

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. The targets of violence are "those who disbelieve" - further defined in the next verse (13) as "defy and disobey Allah." Nothing is said about self-defense. In fact, the verses in sura 8 were narrated shortly after a battle provoked by Muhammad, who had been trying to attack a lightly-armed caravan to steal goods belonging to other people.

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, as it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." As Ibn Kathir puts it in his tafsir on this passage, "Allah commands Muslims to prepare for war against disbelievers, as much as possible, according to affordability and availability."

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

[Note: The verse says to fight unbelievers "wherever you find them". Even if the context is a time of battle (which it was not) the reading appears to sanction attacks against those "unbelievers" who are not on the battlefield. In 2016, the Islamic State referred to this verse in urging the faithful to commit terror attacks: Allah did not only command the 'fighting' of disbelievers, as if to say He only wants us to conduct frontline operations against them. Rather, He has also ordered that they be slain wherever they may be – on or off the battlefield. (source)]

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "heals" the hearts of Muslims.

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell. The verse also links physical fighting to the "cause of Allah" (or "way of Allah").

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and - in this case - on Christian soil, according to the historians).

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It explains why today's devout Muslims generally have little regard for those outside the faith. The inclusion of "hypocrites" (non-practicing) within the verse also contradicts the apologist's defense that the targets of hate and hostility are wartime foes, since there was never an opposing army made up of non-religious Muslims in Muhammad's time. (See also Games Muslims Play: Terrorists Can't Be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims for the role this verse plays in Islam's perpetual internal conflicts).

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer?

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (v.74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. [Note: This parable along with verse 58:22 is a major reason that honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.12).]

Quran (21:44) - "...See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness with it." - The root for Jihad is used twice in this verse - although it may not have been referring to Holy War when narrated, since it was prior to the hijra at Mecca. The "it" at the end is thought to mean the Quran. Thus the verse may have originally meant a non-violent resistance to the 'unbelievers.' Obviously, this changed with the hijra. 'Jihad' after this is almost exclusively within a violent context. The enemy is always defined as people, rather than ideas.

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease (evil desire for adultery, etc.), and those who spread false news among the people in Al-Madinah, cease not, We shall certainly let you overpower them, then they will not be able to stay in it as your neighbors but a little while Accursed, wherever found, they shall be seized and killed with a (terrible) slaughter." This passage sanctions slaughter (rendered as "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators - those who speak out against Islam. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out, which is what today's terrorists do.

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Holy war is to be pursued against those who reject Allah. The unbelievers are to be killed and wounded. Survivors are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test. (See also: 47:4 for more context)

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' If so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that two very distinct standards are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause" Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "rows" or "battle array," meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9), which defines the "cause": "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist." (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of'Adn- Eternity ['Adn(Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success." This verse refers to physical battle waged to make Islam victorious over other religions (see verse 9). It uses the Arabic root for the word Jihad.

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Sahih Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

Sahih Bukhari (52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word (Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause. Muhammad's words are the basis for offensive Jihad - spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today. (See also Sahih Bukhari 3:125)

Sahih Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

Sahih Bukhari (52:44) - A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed."

Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet said, Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet...

Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious

Sahih Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Sahih Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."

Sahih Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Sahih Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."

Sahih Bukhari (11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."

Sahih Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."

Sahih Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"

Sahih Muslim (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'"

Sahih Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three hadith verses in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Sahih Muslim (19:4294) - "Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them."

Sahih Muslim (31:5917) - "Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: 'Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?' Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: 'Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger'." The pretext for attacking the peaceful farming community of Khaybar was not obvious to the Muslims. Muhammad's son-in-law Ali asked the prophet of Islam to clarify the reason for their mission to kill, loot and enslave. Muhammad's reply was straightforward. The people should be fought because they are not Muslim.

Sahih Muslim (31:5918) - "I will fight them until they are like us." Ali's reply to Muhammad, after receiving clarification that the pretext for attacking Khaybar was to convert the people (see above verse).

Sahih Bukhari 2:35 "The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed)."

Sunan an-Nasa'i (Sahih) "Whoever dies without having fought or thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy"

Sunan Ibn Majah 24:2794 (Sahih) - "I came to the Prophet and said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, which Jihad is best?’ He said: ‘(That of a man) whose blood is shed and his horse is wounded.'" Unlike the oft-quoted "Greater/Lesser" verse pertaining to Jihad, this is judged to be authentic, and clearly establishes that the 'best' Jihad involves physical violence.

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

Tabari 17:187 "'By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.' And they returned to their former religion." The words of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah. The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: Cutting off someone's head while shouting 'Allahu Akbar' is not a 'perversion of Islam', but a tradition of Islam that began with Muhammad. In this passage, a companion recounts an episode in which he staged a surprise ambush on a settlement: "I leapt upon him and cut off his head and ran in the direction of the camp shouting 'Allah akbar' and my two companions did likewise".

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Muhammad's instructions to his men prior to a military raid.

Ibn Kathir (Commentary on verses 2:190-193 - Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. One of Islam's most respected scholars clearly believed that Jihad means physical warfare.

Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar p.227-228 - "Embrace Islam... If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship." One of several letters from Muhammad to rulers of other countries. The significance is that the recipients were not making war or threatening Muslims. Their subsequent defeat and subjugation by Muhammad's armies was justified merely on the basis of their unbelief.
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Postby expresso » 03 Nov 2017, 01:51

you dont have to convice me - i couldnt care less of there book or any other really - only way to compare is from the actual book in hand and then compare - or else its me saying one thing and someonen else saying another with either of us having the book on hand to compare -

hey - i see someone with a strange beard thats most commonly used by them - i dont trust them - you can see the difference between a normal clean cut beard or a crazy koran beard -

cant deny it - i dont like or trust them - too bad - some of the woman are pretty hot :lol: i meet a perisan girl today - she pronoced my name very well - and thats not easy - i though she was italian - or some greek - europoean - persian - didnt expect it -

no she didnt have a beard so i was ok with her - maybe she had another beard haha - they are known to be hairy - bush is back i hear - :o :D
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Postby Burgerman » 03 Nov 2017, 03:02

Girls generally have non now... That was a previous century. Met 2 or 3 that I have had personal dealings with since I left hospital in 97. All were how shall we say... no colour to find!
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Postby expresso » 03 Nov 2017, 15:44

Burgerman wrote:Girls generally have non now... That was a previous century. Met 2 or 3 that I have had personal dealings with since I left hospital in 97. All were how shall we say... no colour to find!


yeah sooner or later it comes back around again - what else can happen - its all gone now - only can come back -

anyway - i will be going to take a ride to the area where this happened - i dont have my action camera - - i will try to use my old digial panasonic lumex camera which was the first one i used for video - if it works still -

last few decent days left - i take it - sunny and should reach 70 degrees today -
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Postby Burgerman » 03 Nov 2017, 17:18

10C here. Thats 50f and cold.
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Postby expresso » 03 Nov 2017, 17:41

Burgerman wrote:10C here. Thats 50f and cold.


yeah cold for me also - we may have a few last decent days left here - today may be one of the last - good enough to take a short ride - if not windy - i see when i get outside - will be using my lithium chair - been sitting for a few weeks - been used 3 times - have 24 miles on it - so i should be good for aleast another 20 easy - which i dont think i be doing 20 miles today -

i did get one of those heated jackets - haha - i just liked the windbreaker one i got - the heat part - dosnt do anything really outside - elements on mines are too small - i kept it because i liked the jacket either way

there are more expensive kinds - 3 x the cost and much larger heating elements - larger battery etc, - i think for this to work - it would need to be closest to your body - so a liner jacket heated - then your normal sweater and coat over it -

that may work somewhat -
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Postby Lord Chatterley » 16 Nov 2017, 04:03

Have you read the official magazine of ISIS - seems fairly open and straightforward to me.

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Re: Muslims attack in new york.

Postby expresso » 16 Nov 2017, 04:17

blanket the whole dame middle east and call it a night -
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Postby Burgerman » 16 Nov 2017, 13:12

But they are no longer just in the middle east. Your stupid modern liberal open minded governments INVITED these 8th century violent people to your countries. 10 or 15 percent of europe, much of africa, and every last country has them all breeding away very fast.
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Postby expresso » 16 Nov 2017, 17:03

Like Roaches - never can get rid of them all - stupid thing is - the only reason we or others may even feel this way - meaning to get rid of them all - etc, - is breed by them - they are causing the rest of the world to hate them

if not for there actions - why would you want to kill anyone -
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Postby Burgerman » 16 Nov 2017, 17:10

No idea why but all the leftists, liberals, all cant do enough to protect them. They wont even listen to the facts. Fingers in ears. La le la le la they say as they hide in their safe spaces. To admit the facts, means their entire ideology is wrong. So they cant.

Here we have thousands of "syrian refugees" in a camp at Calais in france all trying to get into britain. They keep emptying it, and it keeps reapeaing. The TV shows syrian refugee families with children. And we get "save the children" campains from the liberals. The reality is that there are almost no refugees. And thousands of fighting age muslims from everywhere BUT Syria... All claiming to be childeren. No women. No old. No children. No disabled. Just fighting age men.

Watch the NON fake news, non bullshit, version:

youtu.be/1C0ZPMbqTsM
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Postby Burgerman » 17 Nov 2017, 11:56

Bacon sandwhiches are amazing. Just eating one.

Because they taste unbelievable, and they are the CURE for vegitarianism. And at the same time they keep muslims away. :clap :dance :worship :ak47 :thumbup:
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