Tire Liners

[expresso]

I decided to try these tire liners - to give me some extra protection

i got them for my front tire only for now just - and i have to say - i am impressed with the quality of this liner - i mean its heavy duty - one tire is installed by them since i sent them the tire to make the liner - i didnt think - i would have sent them both if i knew - it wont be easy to install - so i have to take to bike shop to have the other tire done and let them just install everything tube and rim etc,

here are some pics -

[expresso]

$25 each and are reusable - i figure its worth it - i didnt expect them to be so fitted perfect -

different prices for different size tires - for a 3.50 - 8 - it was $38 each - i just tried the front tires for now - since i cant be sure if my rear tire will even fit my chair - and if it does - might as well leave it alone at that point -

good to know that this can be done and reusable

[steves1977uk]

Interesting, what are they made from expresso?

Steve

[expresso]

Real Rubber - there werent kidding when they said - you wont get a flat and dont need to add any slime etc, - i didnt expect them to be this good for the price to be honest -

i wish i knew i would have shipped them both my tires to have them install both - now i have to spend the money anyway - all well - i know for next time

i would ship them any tire i want liners for and have them install them from the start - best way to get them installed - looking forward to trying them -
wont be for some time - maybe a month before i get it all done and installed on the chair - could be sooner

[flagman1776]

Who makes them? Where do they come from? Brand name? Link?

[expresso]

http://tiregard.net/

this gives you that extra protection - it would take alot to make the tire go flat with this liner in it -

the bike shop wanted me to use there bike liners last time - those are nothing compared to this liner - almost like having another tire in a tire

[sacharlie]

Could be that 6pr aircraft tires would cost less. Try TOST AERO CLASSIC.

[expresso]

Well maybe not. It doesn't cost that much for them and they seem very well made and reusable so u buy it once they r custom made to ur tire as long as use the same tire when it wears out. I am anixous to try them hope bike shop dsnt have too hard a time installing them tomorrow looking to go drop them off to have them done

[Rollin Positive]

I have only had one flat in 10 years of using tube tires and have changed over to Stan's No Tube.

Tube tires make a major difference in comfort too.

Have a bike shop near my house and they do my tube install and with Stan's added its $17 total.

Much cheaper then a DME installing tubes.

I had a nail a few months ago and could not find a tube locally so they put Stan's in and didnt pull the nail and it held firm for 2 weeks till I got a tube sent to me.

[expresso]

thats good to know - i only searched for sealant made for tubes - since i am using a tube - those are tubeless but i would think they do the same thing -


i hope i have the same success as you - i am new to tubes and cant go back to solids now - so i went with the tire liner - first time - havnt installed them yet -

i figured a tire liner and some sealant in the tube should be the best that can someone can do with a tube -

[Burgerman]

That stuff should be good for punctures. Since its designed to allow you to fit non tubeless bicycle tyres to non tubeless rims and it works... Not sure how much I would trust that but for simple punctures it must be OK.

[Burgerman]

That stuff should be good for punctures. Since its designed to allow you to fit non tubeless bicycle tyres to non tubeless rims and it works... Not sure how much I would trust that but for simple punctures it must be OK.

With real tubeless tyres, and sealer, no punctures here in 18 years. The odd caster with tube fails but I ignore those.

[sacharlie]

Say that NoTube looks good and not a bad price either. Gonna get some, thanks for info Tim.

[sacharlie]

So how are these working out?

[expresso]

They are not working out - removed a long time ago - i had front wheel shake - and it turned out to be the liners - so they dont work for power chairs - maybe if its a slow chair like 5mph - or less - i though it was a great idea but they are mostly used in farm tractors i think - slow moving - i believe - they may be ok for a rear tire since its not turning or anything - but still i wouldnt use them front or rear -

i was excited with them at first - making me fee a bit safer knowing i had a liner - good thing i didnt get the rears done -

[sacharlie]

Sorry to hear that. The mrtuffy liners should work for caster tires. To stay in place pressure needs to be above 35lbs which the casters are.

[rover220]

use the liners regularly, great option to avoid punctures

[greybeard]

use the liners regularly, great option to avoid punctures

What on?

[expresso]

i have no interest in them now - they didnt work for me - and i feel much better now - my fear of flats - so i find them not needed - if they didnt affect the chair in any Neg. way - i would have left them - now i just watch the tire wear - and just replace the tire sooner rather than later - i have some Slime in them also but may not use it on the next tube i use - they affect the Air PSI when i go to add Air or remove it etc, - i may not bother on the next set. the Rears are not affected much with the Slime in them - they may not be needed there either since the Rear Tire rubber itself is very thick - tube also - - anyway i hope to never get a flat - but what can i do - have to deal with it.

[rover220]

use the liners regularly, great option to avoid punctures

What on?

scooters mainly but odd powerchair too.

[greybeard]

use the liners regularly, great option to avoid punctures

What on?

scooters mainly but odd powerchair too.

Thanks Rover. Got a link to a supplier please? Can't find anything on the net despite lots of searches.

[rover220]

flexel, struggling to get 3.00-8 size now, but can get 3.00-4 and 4.00-6.

[Burgerman]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mr-Tuffy-Bike- ... th=1&psc=1

[MichaelB]

Enduro motorcycles and a lot of mountain bikes use mousse tyre inserts but sizes are limited. You can run low pressure and not puncture. I'm trying to sort 20 and 24 inch wheels and options are limited, some can be cut but available widths are up to 3 inch.

https://www.bikesuspension.com/brands/p ... oodle.html

http://nukeproof.com/latest-news/nukeproof-ard/

[Burgerman]

If you use decent tyres, and TUBELESS, then add a dose of OFF ROAD puncture seal, then you can stab your tyres 100 times with a screwdriver and still drive around quite normally till the tyre is worn out. You cannot deflate by stabbing them. And you get the better ride and low rolling resistance of proper air filled tyres.

The problem with adding a liner, or a foam fill, or using solid or polyurethane flat free tyres is that it adds weight and can easily cause caster shake issues.

[MichaelB]

A stupid question but are all wheelchair rims tubeless compatible? On mountain bikes many are not and you have to bodge to get the tubeless tyre to seal.

[Burgerman]

No non are. But you can fit ones that are. And you can fit tubeless tyres like your car now uses for the same reasons. All my chairs use tubeless rear tyres, and in some cases these are also K-Sheld (kevlar bullet proof vest material built in).

And once you have sensible sized front caster tyres (3.00 x 4) 10 inch, they need far less pressure, and with the seat relocated back, to give good control etc, they have very little weight over them. So that they ride over sharp stuff without damage mostly. But even if you DO get a flat, the lightly loaded casters on the modifieed chairs are still useable. I had a flat for about a week once. Didnt stop me getting to the pub every night!

This caster tyre in the video here, was run till it deflated due to the tyre wearing right through! Not really a puncture just a tube worn out against the road...
Do I care? Not really! Its annoying but doesent stop me getting home or into my van. Or to the pub. Its about the whole package, not just a tyre. A puncture cannot stop me. How everything works together. Old tired (as in knackered) chair shows this below The rear are tubeless. And so never get deflations. Casters? Those are not!

VIDEO http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/gopro/puncture.mp4

I practice what I preach. Never failed to make it home in 21 years.


Tubeless K-SHEILD You cant puncture those even with a drill unless very determined!







Tubeless...





MORE TUBELESS





And again, click!



And lastly my TUBELESS salsa.

[MichaelB]

I'll have to wait and see what my new Ottobock comes with. I've ordered air filled for all 4 but tubeless was not an option. I guess that I can just use tyre sealant in the inner tube until I have had some use from them.

[Burgerman]

Heres the reason I use tubeless. Puncture seal in tubes works in small holes, if you happen to be pretty lucky. I mean a thorn... Anything bigger and it may work for a few mins. Or more likely you just get a load of tyre sealant everywhere and aa flat tyre.

Puncture seal designed for off road use, seals even 6mm DRILLED holes reliably but only in tubeless tyres. So its all but impossible to get a flat tyre. In tubeless it WORKS!

Your chair in common with every powerchair will come with fragile construction (flimsy compared to real road tyres) grey or black chinese tube type 3.00 x 8 on the rear.

Same as every chair. tubed, and weak. One bit of glass, one small nail, and you are screwed. (Esp if its a screw!). Its why I dont use them. I tried that in year one. I had at least 4 punctures in the summer alone. In every case the chair would not drive. So f**k that for a lark, I cant walk! Since using tubeless tyres, I never once had a problem. Thats over 21 years. I have pulled out large nails, lumps of glass, etc. But they just reseal in one revolution of the wheel. And never need repairing.

Like this below. A Kenda tyre as you will likely get. And so flimsy you can squash it flat with finger and thumb in any direction if not fitted and inflated. Theres no strength or thickness to the treaded area or sidewall. Cheap chinese rubber. Or worse, copies! Still its better than the spine jarring and battery eating flat free option!

[MichaelB]

I've been using tubeless for mountain biking since it was first available. You can run lower pressure for better grip as well as not worrying about punctures. The only draw back is you can burp the tyre from the rim releasing air that the sealant can't seal. Hence why mountain bike now has inserts both for punctured tyres and preventing rim damage.

I'll no doubt find the high quality OEM spec rims and tyres just about adequate when the Ottobock arrives and then start looking for some serious alternative options. Which raises questions on are wheel fittings the same and where do you source tubeless wheels and tyres?