Roadrunner wrote:A litte info:
You can't see the changes in the generic software - but that doesn't mean that it's not there, and you can write the changes to the controller.
Roadrunner wrote:I see what you mean.
I tried a different approach on another chair.
Programmed the chair with the Salsa-M 2mph file using the Permobil (sorry for cursing) dealer software.
Then programmed the chair with its original software using the Sunrise oem.
And then both the assignable buttons and the softkeys works.
You could try this
You have to do some on/off cycles when the program ask you to.
Burgerman wrote:The main interesting thing I came away with from this post was this: Theres a 2mph Salsa?
MarkFox wrote:Fantastically useful thread. I'd already started cupping the pod with my hand independently before finding the post, but the programming settings make a huge difference.
Can't have the pod positioned inboard personally - due to my condition that would cripple my arm/hand within the first half hour in the chair, so I keep it in line with the arm rest which allows me to use it just as smoothly since that lines up more naturally with where my tendons want to pull my arm. Slightly different variation of the joystick manipulation than what's in the video - again due to my condition, but no loss of control as it's a similar enough grip, just adjusted to accommodate my joints. Stick rests part way into the "V" between my thumb and fore-finger, and lets me handle delicate or hard turns equally well & speed adjustments without needing to think about them through the adjustment of those two digits (all my tendons are the wrong length, which pretty much means that what's natural for most people is severely uncomfortable at best for me.)
It's entirely possible that an even better setup could be achieved that still fits the limits of my condition, but so far the above is the best I've found. I fully agree that for anyone without my weird joints that BM's pod position would be the optimal one.
BM - Should I ever happen to run into you at some future point, I'd more than welcome you to cast an eye over my setup and see if you can optimise it any better for my circumstances/limitations.
Burgerman wrote:Watch my hand only! The vid was demonstrating turn acceleration/deceleration, ignore that for now!
http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/gopro/control.mp4 The palm + forefingers is the reference position. THIS is what matters. plus no wobbly control pods wobbly arms, or incorrect pod height etc. Yours appears a little low to me. And no gap between arm top and joystick. Arm top alone needs moving back, to give a gap if joystick remains in the correct place?
as shown in the attached picture, and I can steer with pinpoint accuracy. I'll make slight variations to accommodate muscle issues on rare occasions, but this is what works 99% of the time
biscuit wrote:I think I programmed the beeping out too - certainly I did on my little chair's vsi, by setting the beeping to zero iirc. So I didn't need to implement the bluetack fix.
MarkFox wrote:I've gotten it tuned to roughly the same settings you're using now. The only thing I haven't been able to fix is the damned beep volume when I toggle the lights (or the startup beep beep it makes)
Adjusting the beep volume in the Mobility Programmer software fixed the volume on the speed buttons, but nothing else. Irritating, but I can live with that. (although I wonder if I could wire a resistor in series with the speaker to reduce the volume that way)
Burgerman wrote:If you program a chair to properly, instantly, and proportionally react to the stick, then technique is everything. If you are doing what I think you are, like most others also do, theres no way on earth that you can ever control the chair without thinking its jumpy... Its not. Its doing what the stick tells it, when you tell it.
But by holding it how you do, your arm moves in relation to the pod as you accelerate with pulls it back again, which pushes it forwards again, rinse and repeat... So you are commanding the jumps! You want control, you must have the correct holding technique.
Imagine drawing a neat square on a sheet of paper mounted on a clipboard. You are a passenger in a car on a very bumpy road.
You have 2 methods.
1. You hold only the pen end with your fingers and the page is fixed to the car.
2. You hold the pen properly, and place your hand down on the page for stability as normal.
Which gives a good square? And which is nearly impossible?
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Repeated from post 1 since I cannot stress how important this is!!!IMPORTANT. Preliminary basic 101.
If you want to re-program a chair to steer and drive accurately and naturally with the sort of easy control that is just transparent, you never even think about control, then the following preliminary must be true also. Because after correct programming the joystick will change from a pudding stirrer that you just mash about and wait and hope, to a fully proportional control with no turning (or turn stop) delays. The chair will turn when told, and stop turning when told, at the exact rate and time you decide by exactly how much stick you give it. If you have poor hand control, we will come to that later. With R-Net some of this can be done with Dealer level tools that your tech will have. But not all, and with settings limits/walls. So ideally you will need OEM level access.
So:
1. It HELPS if you have good hand and finger movement, and good eye / hand coordination.
2. Its ESSENTIAL that the joystick is mounted SOLIDLY with no wobbles or movement in relation to the chair.
3. Its also essential that the joystick is positioned correctly. Most are way too low, and too outboard. ***
*** It needs to be slightly inboard of the chair arm centre-line, not too much reach, and the body of the joystick housing needs to be slightly higher than the arm top. So that your hand and at least the two (or three) lower fingers and part of the hand can CUP the outer side of the Joystick body. IN COMFORT! While leaving your stablised hands thumb and forefinger to operate the joystick.
To achieve this may need a little attention from a tech with a drill, a few spacers, some reconfiguration of the arm, a better swingaway as most are frankly crap and also wobble, but its IMPORTANT! Dont allow the tech to tell you its OK. Its not! It must be correct. You just cannot drive a chair thats correctly programmed unless your hand can cup the solidly mounted, correctly positioned joystick in comfort. What will NEVER work is resting your arm on the chairs arm top, and just holding the joystick with your fingers -- which I see all the time.
IT MATTERS!!!
Burgerman wrote:Are you getting an error? With motor disconected. Or module bus cable unplugged?
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