911

[Burgerman]

20 years. Expesso is there right now. And america surrendered to them. Should never have been there in the first place. Should have bombed the extremists and left the rest of them to it.

[sacharlie]

Should_a Would_a Could_a but for those with the special interests of money to be made.

[Burgerman]

And heres the real answer, not the conspiracy theory one:
https://millercenter.org/issues-policy/ ... fghanistan

[Gnomatic]

The USA lost two wars we had no business being in. The Islamists won. And so did the Military Industrial Complex.

[Gnomatic]

There was a group of neoconservatives called Project For A New American Century who were publicly urging Clinton to invade Iraq in the late 90's. That group was made up of what became the who's who of the Bush Admin. Rumsfeld, Cheney et. al. and their mouthpieces in the media were all involved with this group. They wanted the US to go on a massive nation building spree in the Middle East to 'fix' the region. Once elected, Bush chose many involved with that group to high places in his admin. Then 9/11 happened.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting 9/11 was an inside job or any of that crap. Its just that, those who were making the decisions at the time, were already predisposed to use the US military for nation building. Now they had the chance.....

Former General of the US Army Wesley Clark on the military strategy after 9/11 attacks: "We are going to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing it off with Iran" [2007]

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/14 ... 0845800448

[Burgerman]

You cant build "nations" or do anything at all in the middle east until you first stop lying to each other. And the public. Stop trying to pretend the muslim religion is even similar to other religions. Its not. There is no "terrorists" V "nice peaceful muslims". Thats how its portrayed.

Its the opposite entirely. The MUSLIMS are the ones that follow their book. The devout ones. That book tells them to do many evil things. And many of he so called moderate muslims AGREE with the stuff their "terrorists" do. That book says that moderate muslims are even worse than xstians and athiests. So the devout muslims (much of the middle east and africa) have been murdering and attacking each other in the most vile ways possible for 14 centuries. There are muslims (the so called terrorists) and then thers the half believers (kafirs) that their book says to kill. They are worse than all the rest. Ever wondered why the muslims blow up that mostly muslim night club in canada? Now you know. "Real" muslims dont go to night clubs or drink, and non are gay. So boom.

And until the west can accept that the problem is their religion then no amount of guns or bombs or pretending that moderate muslims are nice peaceful people will they ever be able to fix the problem. That requires that you educate people and stop brainwashing them into the same violent book/imaginary freind. But you cant untill you stop protecting some crazy "rights" to a belief. What you should do is treat all religous people for a mental ilness and attemp to cure them. As the chinese are doing to muslims in huge camps right now.

And so it has been happening across the middle east for well over a thousand years. They hate you. Your way of life. And want "moderate" muslims dead. And they want you dead. Logic and reason are ignored. Brainwashing into this nonsense wins.

[expresso]

yeah i agree - its all bullshit - you cant win a war in those countries this way - either you go all out and level it period or waste time money and lives and achieve nothing

they have to fight for them selves - and they cant or wont - 20 years training this idiots - and the first day we leave or turn out backs - they all run and hide - and drop everything and surrender

i never seen or heard anything like this before - history repeats - - Russia tried and lost with them also - you cant do it -

just bomb the shit out of them for ever - they will try to say mission was completed etc, - nothing was completed - there was no end in sight

the idea that we would train them to fight for themselves sounds great on paper only - its a joke - we lost period - we did nothing there - we are right back where we started 20 years later - now we have to work them them also - other countries are working them and recognizing them as leaders of there state -

i like to see how this will play out now - with china getting buddy buddy with them pretty fast it seems -

[Burgerman]

the idea that we would train them to fight for themselves sounds great

We trained muslims. To fight muslims. Who all have the same ideology to greater or lesser degrees. The ones we call "terrorists" the devout muslims, are sat at the same table in the same towns with their families mixed in with all the more moderate ones. So who have we trained? And to fight who? Its all nonsense. It all dissolved and fell apart when biden withdrew suddenly leaving his allies and half a billion worth of equipment and even americans stranded. What a retard. Out yes. But in a controlled fashion.