Micka7405 wrote:muchas gracias amigo Steve
fishinjunky wrote:just curious why 10 cells?
then i meet my boyfriends who is engineer in solar power system and he installed me the 10 cells saying me if volts are more amps will be less and it will heat less wires and motor and electronic module
Burgerman wrote:then i meet my boyfriends who is engineer in solar power system and he installed me the 10 cells saying me if volts are more amps will be less and it will heat less wires and motor and electronic module
He is only partly correct. The AMPS in the BATTERY wires will be less.
The AMPS in the motor wires will either remain exactly the same in order to allow the unit to stay below the 120A limit. Or as speed increases increase in AVARAGE AMPS since you can now sent more acceleration power at a higher roadspeed when not limited by that 120A limit.
So what you have done cannot
- reduce the current foldback
- reduce power module heating
- do anything at all to stop wiring or motor heating (quite the opposite in fact)
So thats just physics. no amount of opinion or testimonials changes this.
Burgerman wrote:Thats not true.
When a motor brush is only 15 to 25% shorter than a brand new one thats *very* worn.
Because as it wears there is less and less of the body of the carbon brush still sitting in the brush holder, which is needed for both electrical resistance purposes and tohold the brush physically.
Also look for chips and burning (black carbon dust) too. Thats a sign of arcing which is usually caused as the brush wears and the spring tension becomes reduced. Which is another reason they should be replaced when 25% wear is seen compared to new.
Also you should be examining the surface it runs on, it should be a copper/brown colour (not black) smooth, and show no scoring or wear on the copper surface that you can feel with a finger nail.
When looking for replacement brushes, you should be VERY wary of cheap pattern replacements.
The actual material makup and hardness is important and varies between motors. The spring tension is also important. So be sure its correct. And the braided copper wire that connects to the brush will be taking 2/3rds of the very high currents. Cheap brushes use thinner braided copper here and it causes the brushes to overheat and die fast. Damaging the commutator.
So buy OEM ones from the supplier of the chair or motors. Raher than cheap generic ones online. If the commutators show signs of wear then budget to replace the motors and dont waste money on brushes.
Motors, and their commutators, magnetic feild strength, balance, gears, bearings and cush drives all wear out. So dont expect them to last forever. As this stuff gradually happens eficiency falls and so they run hotter and the demise speeds up...
Burgerman wrote:Maybe but your idea that it causes less heat on motor wires and power module breaks the laws of physics so that makes no sense. Quite the opposite. At full speed you are putting more watts through your motors than previously. So more heat. At high loads your power module limits motor amps to whatever its capable of (120A in this case) regardless of input voltage.
Burgerman wrote:You will find your parts here. https://parts.sunrisemedical.eu/indexuk ... home/index
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Burgerman wrote:Then you should use 8S and your power module will likely last a lot longer. So far you have been lucky.
Burgerman wrote:Wel, the US hasnt got a sensible "medical" system. So why are you trying to buy there? Are you american?
I buy from wherever is sane...
For E.G I buy cars in the US, and all kinds of stuff in china, japan, and I am no longer in the hated socialist EU. So I buy wherever I want. So can you.
If you want I can order some for you, and ship...
Or you could order from any place that deals with sunrise anywhere in the world. Just give them the part number and quantity. And pay.
Burgerman wrote:If you want I can order some for you, and ship...
Burgerman wrote:Or you could order from any place that deals with sunrise anywhere in the world. Just give them the part number and quantity. And pay.
Burgerman wrote:Wel, the US hasnt got a sensible "medical" system. So why are you trying to buy there?
Burgerman wrote:Orderability Item no. Article no. Description
1 16 MM-MOTARMX8 Motor armature X8
1 13 MM-MOTBHX8V6 X8 and V6 Motor brush A9
1 14 MM-MOTBRAX8L X8 Motor Brake Left hand side A9Y67
1 15 MM-MOTBRAX8R X8 Motor Brake Right hand side A9Y67
1 7 MM-MOTGASX8V6 Motor gasket V6 / X8
1 7-12 MM-MOTGBKITX8 Motor gearbox service spare pa
1 8 MM-MOTSL Motor seal to suit X8, V6 and X5 motors
1 10 MM-MOTSX8 X8 Motor Shaft A9Y230A00971
1 9 MM-MOTWWL large motor wave washer
1 12 MM-MOTWWS small motor wave washer
1 6 MM-MOTX8FL Motor X8 front left (4474) AY001C04474C-200917 REV C
1 5 MM-MOTX8FR Motor X8 front right (4473) AY001C04473C-200917 REV C
1 4 MM-MOTX8RL Motor X8 rear left (R-Net 4574) ay001c04574c-200917 rev c
1 2 MM-MOTX8RLD Motor X8 rear left rev C AY001C04574C-200917 dynamic connectors
1 3 MM-MOTX8RR Motor X8 rear right (R-Net 4573) ay001c04573c-200917 rev c
1 1 MM-MOTX8RRD Motor X8 rear right rev C AY001C04573C-200917 dynamic connectors
1 7 MOTGASX8V6 Motor X8 front left (4474) ay001c04474c-200917 rev c
Burgerman wrote:You will find your parts here. https://parts.sunrisemedical.eu/indexuk ... home/index
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