Pride Scooter Controller

[Scooterman]

Anyone know what make of mobility scooter controller Pride mobility use?

Also the scooter has two motors, so I don't know if it has two single output standard scooter controllers aka like S-Drive?

Or whether it would use a powerchair controller like R-Net?

When I got my sunrise scooter it was capable of 15kph, but limited to 12kph for UK.

But cos it was a single S-Drive controller it was easy to overcome with one of Woody's leads and the PGDT OEM software

I was hoping the Pride scooter would be as easy to change the programming. AKA remove the nazi wall as BM puts it.

PGDT S-Drive versions

[Scooterman]

The USA version is called the Wrangler.

I think I've found the controller type. I would guess it's two of these curtiss wright

Can we access curtiss wright stuff?

https://www.monsterscooterparts.com/bra ... ngler.html

Two motors?

youtu.be/GYJlrDnjhaM

[Burgerman]

Pride use a lot of curtis instruments stuff. Not curtiss wright, thats a UK company that make R-Net, and other controllers like pilot plus, and their scooter controllers etc.

Curtis Instruments make all prides Q-LOGIC chair controllers etc for them.

[martin007]

Pride use a lot of curtis instruments stuff. Not curtiss wright, thats a UK company that make R-Net, and other controllers like pilot plus, and their scooter controllers etc.

Curtis Instruments make all prides Q-LOGIC chair controllers etc for them.

"No es lo mismo joder, que joderse."

[Burgerman]

Well ones called curtis, the other is curtiss. So its not obvious that its a different competing company. Unless you know. In different countries.

[woodygb]

The USA version is called the Wrangler.

I think I've found the controller type. I would guess it's two of these curtiss wright

Can we access curtiss wright stuff?

As John says ... CURTIS INSTRUMENTS not Curtiss Wright.

Neither the cable or the software is a problem for that controller .

https://cdn.curtisinstruments.com/produ ... ual_en.pdf

[Scooterman]

Thanks BM, and thanks Woody for the Curtis manual, that's really useful, I've saved it to my mob programming folder. So it should be simple matter of removing the top speed nazi wall, just as you helped me with my existing 15kph scooter Woody.

Ah, Curtis AND Curtiss Wright, different companies, different countries, well I never! They shouldn't have similar names like that as it confuses Einsteins like me

I will read through the manual, but it's got to be a separate controller for each motor. I was thinking that with two separate controllers it must be difficult to sync them. But I suppose if the throttle output branches off to each controller, then the controllers are gonna output same voltage to each motor and scooter go in a straight line, and not crab off into the nearest ditch

[LROBBINS]

P&G is now a British subsidiary of Curtiss-Wright which is a U.S. company dating back to the earliest days of aviation, but now a multi-industry conglomerate.

[Scooterman]

Woody - Have you got a copy of the software for Curtis controllers you could send me, so I can have a look at it on me laptop?

Also so I know for future. Do you make up leads/dongles for programming the Curtis controllers?

If I do get one of them scooters for off-road, it won't be until next spring. But to be forewarned is to be forearmed as they said

[woodygb]

Woody - Have you got a copy of the software for Curtis controllers you could send me, so I can have a look at it on me laptop?

Also so I know for future. Do you make up leads/dongles for programming the Curtis controllers?

If I do get one of them scooters for off-road, it won't be until next spring. But to be forewarned is to be forearmed as they said

Two versions of the software are available the earlier 1314-4401 and the later 1314-4402 both will work with that controller.

The later software requires a programming cable called a 1309 that doubles up as a dongle and also sets the access level , the earlier software doesn't require that the programming cable has a built in dongle and the software type gives the access level ( OEM ).

I can provide a cloned 1309 programming cable ( together with a registry hack for the access level ) that will work for both.

[Burgerman]

P&G is now a British subsidiary of Curtiss-Wright which is a U.S. company dating back to the earliest days of aviation, but now a multi-industry conglomerate.

The headquarters, is still UK, Christchurch.
See https://www.cw-industrialgroup.com/Abou ... ities.aspx

Yes it was called Penny & Giles. But R-Net/other mobility stuff is still made by them, albeit under the curtiss wright umbrella in the UK. Then its manufactured in many places inc china, india, usa, etc.
So its true its owned by Curtiss Write, but still a UK company with sales offices in many places.

If you call them you will speak to the very same secretary melany/melinda? of the same Roger Brickliff that used to be in charge of everything when it was called P&G or PG Drives 25 years back when I was ordering Pilot Plus stuff/programmers etc. Thats still the place all the tech stuff/design happens. But yes technically both Curtis and curtiss are US owned global companies. Curtis wright do an awful lot of different stuff, and are a huge international conglomerate and own a lot of small companies across the Globe.

[woodygb]

Curtis Instruments has gone the same way as Penny & Giles ...bought by Kohler Co , a big U.S. conglomerate.

Jan. 10, 2022 – Kohler Co. announces that its Power Group – a global leader in engines, power generation and clean energy solutions – has signed an agreement to acquire multinational Curtis Instruments

[Scooterman]

I can provide a cloned 1309 programming cable ( together with a registry hack for the access level ) that will work for both.

Thanks Woody that's really good to know. Without WD.com and you clever guys, what would I do?

But like I said it probably won't be until next Spring. It would be good to have a more robust scooter for some gentle off-roading, to get to see a bit of nature like. Just call me Ray Mears.

[Burgerman]

I wonder what the manufacturers make of this site?

To be fair, its their own stupid fault. If they didnt treat us like retards, didnt restrict access to the parts, info and tools, then we would have no need to crack, modify, steal or anything else. We also wouldnt call the likes of permobil nasty names. They CHOOSE to behave this way, and so FORCE us to do this. And restrictive practice has a dire effect on our lives. And so they dont leave us any option.

This is why I tell people not to buy any chair (scooter?) that it isnt possible to obtain parts, and especially an OEM level programmer, and 100 to 120A / 4 pole etc. Because if it cannot at least tick those few boxes then I simply dont want it. Those things come FIRST before I even look any further.
Right now that leaves me a choice of rear drive sunrise, and rear drive Dietz, and a few others. All which are R-Net as thats the only modern system that we can access proper tools. And I mean real R-Net not a permobil version...

So that those that dont fit the bill, like permobil, pride, and a couple of others, probably hate this site. It cannot do their sales any good. But its THEIR choice to behave that way isnt it.

[Scooterman]

Well said BM.

and especially this bit.

They CHOOSE to behave this way, and so FORCE us to do this. And restrictive practice has a dire effect on our lives. And so they dont leave us any option

[Scooterman]

Most large scooters for the european market are capable of doing 15kph. But those for the UK market are restricted via programming to 12kph aka 8mph.
But hey ho, it's fine for stupid e-scooters to do 15mph. That's roughly double the speed of the fastest legal mob scooters and Powerchairs. Apart from a certain BM3!

E-scooter casualties increase three-fold and nine deaths reported
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/car-in ... s-reported

[Burgerman]

Theres lots of them that go way faster than that. My freind has one that does around 30mph. And he has a 2 wheel stand on scooter thats faster. Uses it to dive in and around traffic to get to the pub and back. No plates, no insurance needed, no licence or taxation class, so basically laws and traffic lights dont apply to him.

[woodygb]

Theres lots of them that go way faster than that. My freind has one that does around 30mph. And he has a 2 wheel stand on scooter thats faster. Uses it to dive in and around traffic to get to the pub and back. No plates, no insurance needed, no licence or taxation class, so basically laws and traffic lights dont apply to him.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e-scooter-t ... -for-users

[Burgerman]

These rules are only for rental e-scooters used as part of trials

Everything else is already illegal. As are bycicles everywhere but on the road. But no ID plate, means that he and hundreds of others ride them all over the roads pavements and town centre. And same with bikes. In all the pedestrianised areas. Cops not only ignore it but ride bikes in same places too. Its a free for all.

So 15mph wheelchairs? Who the hell cares. Laws in the UK are now optional. Things like house break-in's theft from shops, or even assaults are never even attended. But free speech on twitter will get you arrested.

[FelipeOliveira]

Woody - Have you got a copy of the software for Curtis controllers you could send me, so I can have a look at it on me laptop?

Also so I know for future. Do you make up leads/dongles for programming the Curtis controllers?

If I do get one of them scooters for off-road, it won't be until next spring. But to be forewarned is to be forearmed as they said

Two versions of the software are available the earlier 1314-4401 and the later 1314-4402 both will work with that controller.

The later software requires a programming cable called a 1309 that doubles up as a dongle and also sets the access level , the earlier software doesn't require that the programming cable has a built in dongle and the software type gives the access level ( OEM ).

I can provide a cloned 1309 programming cable ( together with a registry hack for the access level ) that will work for both.

also access Qlogic3?

[woodygb]

I have NO hands on experience with the Q-logic3 .

As far as I am aware it programs using a CAN signal .

One of our members came up with a work around for an early Q-logic , it might work for the later 3.

EDIT ...See below.

[woodygb]

I found a quote from Rover220 , a Wheelchair Tech.

rover220 wrote:
OEM programming is available for the qlogic3 but it's cloud based programming so without the correct level of access you are stuck with dealer.

So it would appear that the Qlogic3 is NOT programmable via a a simple cable if it uses Econ-W.

[woodygb]

https://www.alliedmedical.co.nz/media/6 ... n-form.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr3jhpkHni0

[FelipeOliveira]

I found a quote from Rover220 , a Wheelchair Tech.

rover220 wrote:
OEM programming is available for the qlogic3 but it's cloud based programming so without the correct level of access you are stuck with dealer.

So it would appear that the Qlogic3 is NOT programmable via a a simple cable if it uses Econ-W.

hello woody! are you alright ? hope so !! this is very bad, as far as I understand, to use the “ECON-w. , IASSIST and PQ-365”. it seems to be necessary to register the ID number, with the local dealer (BRAZIL PARA me). I tried, the reseller Brazil, said he has no idea what he was wanting, insists on saying, that this is the way, lol conclusion… Brazilians are isolated from the world!!! Sounds like a joke!!!

Maybe it wouldn't be the hand programmer. 1313- 41.. , the option? Seris Maybe the 1313-4101 is the most suitable?

[woodygb]

I am well thank you .

Rover told me that it was not possible to program the Q-Logic3 using any of his cables or software versions.

I have the ECON-W software but no Q-Logic3 hardware to play with.

[Burgerman]

As I keep telling everyone. If you care that you will never be able to program your chair properly then do not buy anything Pride, or Permobil. And that also now applies to Curtis Instruments (QLogic 2 and 3 and all furture pride stuff). And Linx stuff too. So anything with Dynamic controls that is modern. So invacare...

If you dont care about this then carry on! Personally thats one of my most important rules. If I cannot get access to fully program and configure a powerchair with easy OEM level access, that controls everything properly. Then I would simply never buy those brands or hairs. That also includes some myra and other brands. Be very careful what you buy.

Right now that means buy or use any chairs that use generic R-Net components. Only.
Fortunately thats lots of chairs right now. The rest of the control systems and even some that appear R-Net "on the surface" like permobil, are not fully configurable. And even normal speed settings are out of bounds in the normal sense. That matters a lot to me. This, is my number 1 parameter when looking for new chairs. A well programmed chair is night and day compared to the nonsense programming all stock chairs have. And "dealer level" cant fix this.

The field of suitable systems and manufacturers is now very narrow. Basically only generic R-Net complete systems are remaining. And we dont know how long that will last either! Fortunately these are quite common and also the best systems too.

As for scooters I have absolutely no idea about them!

[woodygb]

Maybe it wouldn't be the hand programmer. 1313- 41.. , the option? Seris Maybe the 1313-4101 is the most suitable?

A little research has suggested that the 1313 Hand Held with software version 01.037.000 should work.

[FelipeOliveira]

Good afternoon

Someone here has registration with the pride account number, in the APP. "PQ-365", which allows you to view product information through the serial number, ? And what could you check for me? In fact, I'm not sure what additional information is actually available. Or even mesko to what extent would it be useful, and it is worth the wear and tear to insist with the local reseller Brazil and Pride

[FelipeOliveira]

Maybe it wouldn't be the hand programmer. 1313- 41.. , the option? Seris Maybe the 1313-4101 is the most suitable?

A little research has suggested that the 1313 Hand Held with software version 01.037.000 should work.

Hello Woody, would this be enough in your opinion?

With db9 cable and molex 4pin

Is it possible to convert to XLR RIGHT?

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLElOF6

[woodygb]

I cannot be certain that the 1313 that you linked to will work....but I think it will.

https://www.nocoev.com/product/curtis/m ... _RevC5.pdf
XLR cable 17926304-02

https://www.shop.fsip.biz/en/product/te ... 7926304-02

https://www.nocoev.com/product/curtis/m ... _RevB2.pdf


Cheaper price..

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