Net zero nonsense

[wheelchairer]

Because fighting an enemy to keep them from attacking or taking your country is a perfectly valid reason to fight or kill as needed in order to stop them.

Palestinians Can respond to the Attacking or takingtaking of their Country?

Iraqis Can respond to the Attacking and destroying of their country?

[Burgerman]

First theres no such country as palastine on any map.
Second the gaza strip is populated by a pretty heavily religious and quite violent ideological group that voted the terrorist hamas in, an extremist muslim group into power. They then ATTACKED israel repeatedly every time they try to live in peace. Year on year never a rest. Over and over and over.

Thirdly, israel are the ones trying to take out the terrorists that repeatedly attack them. In self defence. And if they do manage to take out israel they will be coming for anyone that isn't muslim next. In fact they take out even muslims across the planet that do not adhere to the strict muslim "rules" that they are expected to first!

So you have it back asswards as usual with the marxist lefty types. Israel are protecting themselves from the stated aims of the Hamas terrorists (who are yet another group that are really proxies and paid for by the muslim extremists that took over iran 60 years ago the iranian guard). If they didnt keep attacking jews, if they didnt rape and torture women and murder babies in front of their mothers, if they didnt build ther tunnels and safe places below hospitals and store rockets under schools and childrens bedrooms then I might have more sympathy. The majority of thepopulation are complicit. Celebrating in the streets because 2 babies were handed back dead 2 years later. And you wonder why I dont like religion.

But again they already repeated their stated aim, supported by all the civilians that votes them in to run their gaza that they dont care about territory, or a 2 state solution they just will never rest until israel is idealogically wiped off the map.

So israel should finish off the iranians, the terrorists and any other extremist groups regardless of what it takes. And in doing so doing the rest of us a great favour too. Not to mention the millions of middle eastern non extremist muslims and cristians/athieststs too.

Iraq? Syria? I have been and know how thy think. Seen and understood with my own eyes. They do not think like we do. A different world, different ideology, and same story. Have you?

[wheelchairer]

The 1st Nation of Islam (Nationalist) Response Was in 2000.

Here is a full list of U.S. and U.K. military interventions in the Middle East ever. These interventions include military operations, wars, peacekeeping missions, and covert actions.

United States Military Interventions in the Middle East (Ever)
Iran (1953) – CIA-led coup: The U.S. orchestrated a coup to overthrow Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh, reinstalling the Shah (Mohammad Reza Pahlavi), who was more favorable to Western interests.

Lebanon (1958) – Operation Blue Bat: U.S. forces intervened in Lebanon to stabilize the government during a period of political instability and sectarian conflict.

Egypt (1956) – The Suez Crisis was an indirect intervention by the U.S. when it pressured the U.K., France, and Israel to cease military action after their invasion of Egypt over the nationalization of the Suez Canal.

Iran (1979-1981) – Operation Eagle Claw: A failed U.S. mission to rescue American hostages in Iran, who had been taken during the Iranian Revolution.

Lebanon (1982-1984) – Multinational Force: The U.S. deployed Marines to Lebanon as part of an international peacekeeping force during the Lebanese Civil War. This ended with the bombing of the U.S. embassy and the Marine barracks in Beirut.

Libya (1986) – Operation El Dorado Canyon: U.S. airstrikes targeted Libyan government facilities in response to the bombing of a Berlin nightclub that killed two U.S. soldiers.

Iraq (1990-1991) – Operation Desert Storm: U.S.-led coalition forces, including the U.K., expelled Iraqi forces from Kuwait after Saddam Hussein's invasion of the country.

Somalia (1992-1994) – Operation Restore Hope: U.S. forces intervened in Somalia to address famine and civil conflict, later transitioning to a U.N. peacekeeping mission.

Bosnia (1994-1995) – Operation Deliberate Force: The U.S. participated in NATO airstrikes in Bosnia during the Bosnian War to force a ceasefire and pressure Serbian forces.

Iraq (1998-2003) – Operation Desert Fox: U.S. airstrikes targeted Iraqi military sites in response to Saddam Hussein’s defiance of U.N. weapons inspections.

Afghanistan (2001-2021) – Operation Enduring Freedom: Following the September 11 attacks, the U.S. invaded Afghanistan to dismantle al-Qaeda and remove the Taliban from power.

Iraq (2003-2011) – Operation Iraqi Freedom: The U.S. led a coalition invasion of Iraq, citing weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) and links to terrorism as reasons for the intervention. This resulted in the toppling of Saddam Hussein’s regime.

Libya (2011) – Operation Unified Protector: The U.S. participated in NATO-led airstrikes to enforce a U.N.-mandated no-fly zone and support the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi during the Libyan Civil War.

Syria (2014-present) – The U.S. conducted airstrikes and supported Kurdish forces as part of the broader fight against ISIS and other militant groups in Syria.

Yemen (2015-present) – The U.S. has provided support to Saudi Arabia and the UAE in their intervention against Houthi rebels in Yemen, including logistical support and airstrikes.

Iran (1980s-present) – Operation Praying Mantis (1988): U.S. Navy strikes against Iran during the Iran-Iraq War, after Iranian forces attacked U.S. ships in the Persian Gulf.

Pakistan (2000s-present) – U.S. drone strikes and covert operations targeting Taliban and al-Qaeda members in Pakistan’s tribal regions.

Sudan (1998) – U.S. missile strikes against Sudanese pharmaceutical factories suspected of producing chemical weapons.

Gulf War (1990-1991) – U.S. led the international coalition to expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait after Saddam Hussein's invasion.

Afghanistan (1980s) – While the U.S. did not directly intervene, it provided significant support to Afghan rebels fighting the Soviet Union’s invasion of Afghanistan.

United Kingdom Military Interventions in the Middle East (Ever)
Palestine (1917-1948) – The U.K. administered Palestine under a League of Nations mandate after WWI, facing increasing conflict between Jewish and Arab communities. The British military was involved in suppressing uprisings and managing the territory.

Iran (1941-1946) – The UK, alongside the Soviet Union, invaded Iran to secure oil fields and prevent German influence during WWII.

Egypt (1956) – Suez Crisis: The U.K., France, and Israel launched a military campaign against Egypt after Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal. The operation ended after international pressure, particularly from the U.S.

Jordan (1958) – The U.K. sent forces to Jordan to prevent the spread of Arab nationalism and secure the monarchy during a period of instability in the region.

Kuwait (1961) – The U.K. sent forces to Kuwait to defend the country against a potential invasion by Iraq.

Oman (1957-1975) – The U.K. provided military assistance to the Sultan of Oman during the Dhofar Rebellion, helping suppress Marxist insurgents.

Cyprus (1974) – The U.K. intervened in Cyprus after Turkey invaded following a Greek-led coup. U.K. peacekeeping forces have remained in Cyprus since then.

Iran (1950s-1970s) – The U.K. played a significant role in Iran’s politics and oil industry, including military operations to suppress nationalist movements, like in 1953 when it helped the U.S. orchestrate a coup.

Iraq (1914-1918) – U.K. forces invaded the Ottoman-controlled region of Iraq (Mesopotamia) during World War I, ultimately establishing a British mandate.

Iraq (2003-2009) – The U.K. joined the U.S. in the invasion of Iraq, contributing military forces and helping with the occupation and rebuilding efforts after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

Afghanistan (2001-2014) – The U.K. joined the U.S. in the invasion of Afghanistan, deploying forces to combat the Taliban and al-Qaeda, as part of the NATO-led coalition.

Lebanon (1982-1984) – U.K. peacekeeping forces were deployed as part of a multinational force during the Lebanese Civil War to stabilize the country.

Yemen (2015-present) – The U.K. has provided military support to Saudi Arabia in its intervention against Houthi rebels, primarily through arms sales and logistical support.

Syria (2014-present) – The U.K. has participated in airstrikes and operations as part of the broader fight against ISIS and other terrorist groups.

Bosnia (1990s) – U.K. forces were part of NATO and U.N. peacekeeping missions in Bosnia and Herzegovina during the Bosnian War.

Libya (2011) – The U.K. participated in NATO-led operations to enforce a U.N.-mandated no-fly zone and assist rebels in overthrowing Muammar Gaddafi.

Saudi Arabia (1990-present) – The U.K. has supported Saudi Arabia through arms sales, training, and logistical support, particularly in the Gulf War and the ongoing conflict in Yemen.

Bahrain (2010-present) – The U.K. maintains a naval base in Bahrain and has been involved in regional security operations and arms deals.

Turkey (1970s-present) – The U.K. has maintained military ties with Turkey, particularly related to the Kurdish insurgency and regional security.

Mali (2013-present) – The U.K. has provided support to French forces in Mali against Islamist militants as part of a broader international effort.

Summary of Key Interventions
U.S. Interventions: The U.S. has had extensive military involvement in the Middle East since WWII, particularly during the Cold War and post-9/11 era. Major interventions include the Iraq War (2003), Afghanistan War (2001), Gulf War (1990-1991), and Syria (2014-present).

U.K. Interventions: The U.K. has a long history of military involvement in the Middle East, including colonial and post-colonial interventions. Key operations include the Suez Crisis (1956), the Gulf War (1990-1991), Iraq War (2003), and Libya (2011).

Both nations have played pivotal roles in shaping the region's political and military landscape, driven by strategic, political, and economic interests, as well as alliances with regional powers like Saudi Arabia and Israel. Their military interventions often involve coalition-building with NATO, U.N. peacekeeping missions, or support for allied governments.

So surely there could be other reasons beyond religion for both sides?

[Burgerman]

Not really. Many of those listed are incorrect "reasons" and lack detail.

Even today the sane moderate iranian muslims WANT the west to free them from the iranian supreme guard (they just had a bit of a breakthrough) as they live in fear and are forced to behave as extremist muslims with all the problems that causes. Many in hiding. Under house arrest. Tortured. Especially for women. Things like this are completely ignored by your list that appears to be written by a lefty looking to make points. The reality of much of that was nothing to do with the reasons you have listed. Those were summaries written by those with an agenda that do not have a clue or care about the reality.

And the muslims extremists have been terrorising the moderate muslims, the athiests, the xstians across the middle east in the same way long before the americans intervened. Its been happening for 14 centuries. Without a break. The worst part is that most of the populations in the middle east, and now its covering 1/5 of africa are the ones that are bullied and controlled and brainwashed from day 1 at school by these regemes.

If you dont understand this stuff then your list looks great.

[Burgerman]

What you may not understand is just how their religion is a complete totalitarian ideology with strict vile instructions on how take over the world. A book of lies and violence. And any that do not follow to the letter are the worst enemy of those that do. Apostates. Thy die first.

Its not a battle between what we did to them and them retaliating.
There are many muslim leaders that say that they would do exactly the same even if we never stepped foot on their land ever. They are simply doing as their book tells them.


That book tells them to kill non muslims in the most horrific way possible or convert them to muslims. It tells them to move to places that are not muslim and out breed the polpulation. When theres enough of them to start agitating for right and laws to protect their religion amd to have shria law and courts. And begin forcing the populaio to be muslims.

It truly is evil.

Take a little time and LEARN something about the muslim ideology before you continue like most in the west to make a fool of yourself.

Take a few hours this week and EDUCATE yourself. Yes you wont find sites like this one below on google or many lefty run media or hear anything in this on mainstream news. Because we are meant to not know.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.aspx

[wheelchairer]

First theres no such country as palastine on any map.
Second the gaza strip is populated by a pretty heavily religious and quite violent ideological group that voted the terrorist hamas in, an extremist muslim group into power. They then ATTACKED israel repeatedly every time they try to live in peace. Year on year never a rest. Over and over and over.

Thirdly, israel are the ones trying to take out the terrorists that repeatedly attack them. In self defence. And if they do manage to take out israel they will be coming for anyone that isn't muslim next. In fact they take out even muslims across the planet that do not adhere to the strict muslim "rules" that they are expected to first!

So you have it back asswards as usual with the marxist lefty types. Israel are protecting themselves from the stated aims of the Hamas terrorists (who are yet another group that are really proxies and paid for by the muslim extremists that took over iran 60 years ago the iranian guard). If they didnt keep attacking jews, if they didnt rape and torture women and murder babies in front of their mothers, if they didnt build ther tunnels and safe places below hospitals and store rockets under schools and childrens bedrooms then I might have more sympathy. The majority of thepopulation are complicit. Celebrating in the streets because 2 babies were handed back dead 2 years later. And you wonder why I dont like religion.

But again they already repeated their stated aim, supported by all the civilians that votes them in to run their gaza that they dont care about territory, or a 2 state solution they just will never rest until israel is idealogically wiped off the map.

So israel should finish off the iranians, the terrorists and any other extremist groups regardless of what it takes. And in doing so doing the rest of us a great favour too. Not to mention the millions of middle eastern non extremist muslims and cristians/athieststs too.

Iraq? Syria? I have been and know how thy think. Seen and understood with my own eyes. They do not think like we do. A different world, different ideology, and same story. Have you?

There was no Israel in the Middle East until the UK/US decided they needed a beachhead for the control of the Middle East for oil.

The phrase "from the river to the sea" has been used in various contexts related to Israeli and Palestinian politics. In the Likud Party's charter, it is reflected in the statement that "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty," which appears in the 1977 election manifesto of the Likud party.
This assertion aligns with the party's long-standing opposition to an independent Palestinian state and its commitment to maintaining Israeli control over the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
The phrase has also been used by other Israeli politicians, including Benjamin Netanyahu, to emphasize the party's ideological stance on Israeli sovereignty over the entire territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River.

And the Zionist have control from the river to the sea.

It is funny how we always trust our politicians NEVER, until it comes to war, and then they can do no wrong.
This is an Israeli Jew. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aDhQV6eFCI

So you're saying the Middle Eastern peoples secular or religious have no right to defend their land from attack?

[Burgerman]

I am saying that israel is the only one ATTACKED and is defending itself. Legitimately.

Its alsways jews that are under attack.
They have a right to be there.
And it has nothing to do with oil.
Tell me, why have muslims been murdering each other, and xstians, and athiests for 14 centuries? Is that also the jesw or americans fault?
You obviously dont have a clue about the middle east and how these animals think.

Before you add anything else, go back and read the post I made higher up as I only replied to part of it before you replied again.

Then after you read that educate yourself a little here.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.aspx

[wheelchairer]

Not really. Many of those listed are incorrect "reasons" and lack detail.

Even today the sane moderate iranian muslims WANT the west to free them from the iranian supreme guard (they just had a bit of a breakthrough) as they live in fear and are forced to behave as extremist muslims with all the problems that causes. Many in hiding. Under house arrest. Tortured. Especially for women. Things like this are completely ignored by your list that appears to be written by a lefty looking to make points. The reality of much of that was nothing to do with the reasons you have listed. Those were summaries written by those with an agenda that do not have a clue or care about the reality.

And the muslims extremists have been terrorising the moderate muslims, the athiests, the xstians across the middle east in the same way long before the americans intervened. Its been happening for 14 centuries. Without a break. The worst part is that most of the populations in the middle east, and now its covering 1/5 of africa are the ones that are bullied and controlled and brainwashed from day 1 at school by these regemes.

If you dont understand this stuff then your list looks great.

All my above was from ChatGPT.As an alternative here is Elon Mosques AI bot

Determining the exact number of people killed outside Muslim-majority countries by Islamic terrorists involves analyzing global terrorism data over a specific timeframe. While I don’t have a single, definitive figure to provide without a specific date range from you, I can offer an informed estimate based on available data and trends up to my last update, adjusted to the current date of February 24, 2025.

Studies, such as those from the Fondapol think tank, indicate that between 1979 and May 2021, approximately 210,138 people were killed worldwide in at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks. Of these, around 88.9% to 91.7% of deaths occurred in Muslim-majority countries, meaning that roughly 8.3% to 11.1% of fatalities—approximately 17,441 to 23,325 people—happened outside such regions over that 42-year period. This translates to an average of about 415 to 555 deaths per year outside Muslim-majority countries.

Breaking it down further, notable attacks in non-Muslim-majority countries include the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States (2,977 deaths), the 2004 Madrid train bombings (193 deaths), the 2005 London bombings (52 deaths), and the 2016 Nice truck attack in France (86 deaths), among others. These high-profile incidents, alongside smaller attacks, contribute to the total. For instance, in Europe alone, France saw at least 334 deaths from Islamist terrorism between 1979 and April 2024, per Fondapol’s updated figures.

Since my knowledge is continuously updated, I can infer that the trend has likely continued beyond 2021, with events like the 2022 increase in terrorism deaths (to 8,352 globally, per the Global Terrorism Index) adding to the tally. However, the proportion of deaths outside Muslim-majority countries remains relatively low, as conflict zones like the Sahel, Afghanistan, and Iraq still dominate terrorism fatalities. In 2023, the Sahel accounted for 43% of global terrorism deaths, and over 90% of deaths occurred in conflict zones, most of which are in Muslim-majority regions.

If we extrapolate conservatively, assuming an annual average of 450 deaths outside Muslim-majority countries from 1979 to 2021 and adjust for recent years (2022–2024), we might estimate a total of around 20,000 to 25,000 deaths outside Muslim-majority countries by Islamic terrorists from 1979 to today. This is a rough estimate, as precise yearly data fluctuates and depends on how one defines "Islamic terrorists" and "Muslim-majority countries."

For a more exact answer, could you specify a time period (e.g., 2000–2025)? I could then refine the estimate further using available trends and incident reports.

So that puts the figure much lower since 1979 just 17,000.Give me a genuine honest answer, are you shocked the figure a so low?

[Burgerman]

Of course not I know the figures for years. 1 is too many. Its not about numbers its about evil ideology.

And thats not the correct figures anyway. All AI does is search biased google. Which never mentions almost any of the attacks and deaths. So not at all surprised.

Did you actually take a look at the site I posted twice and spend some time? Being as you already made up your mind in ignorance then I doubt you want to know.

[wheelchairer]

Of course not I know the figures for years. 1 is too many. Its not about numbers its about evil ideology.

And thats not the correct figures anyway. All AI does is troll google. Which never mentions almost any of the attacks and deaths. So not at all surprised.

Did you actually take a look at the site I posted twice and spend some time? Being as you already made up your mind in ignorance then I doubt you want to know.

Yes. Give me the link to the total for non-Muslim country deaths. I couldn't find that information.

[Burgerman]

ACTUAL figures and not complete. BY YEAR, and month. And week. And it doesent catch or know about an estimated half of all attacks.
And I already gave you the link twwice and asked you to read and educate yourself. You wont find that site on google. The lefties dont like it. And yes its all fact checked and accurate.

2024 During this time period, there were 1750 Islamic attacks in 52 countries, in which 9533 people were killed and 8446 injured.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/atta ... px?Yr=2024

2023 During this time period, there were 1793 Islamic attacks in 49 countries, in which 11437 people were killed and 13003 injured.

2022 During this time period, there were 2003 Islamic attacks in 51 countries, in which 9031 people were killed and 6820 injured.


I have been posting these figures for 20 years.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/atta ... px?Yr=2024

If they COULD and had the weapons they would wipe out israel, and then you. Which is why they shouldnt ever get the bomb.

[wheelchairer]

And non-Muslim countries? How many have died in the West, rather than Muslims killing Muslims?

[Burgerman]

They dont diferentiate, there are attacks in all countries except poland who refuse them entry.

Read a few hours about that religion on that site and stop asking me. And other similar ones. Or do as I did and GO.

[wheelchairer]

They dont diferentiate, there are attacks in all countries except poland who refuse them entry.

Read a few hours about that religion on that site and stop asking me. And other similar ones. Or do as I did and GO.

But when you're using A figure of 9553, war against the Iranians, BY THE WEST it's pertinent. Especially when over 89% of figures are Muslim against Muslim, As your figures confirm.

In fact, Let's times your figure by 20 years, that's 200,000 not dissimilar to the figure I gave above. Now let's just double that figure to 400,000 over 20 years, Carried out by 1,600,000,000 Muslims In over 50 countries. You really want to attack 1,600,000,000 people for the actions of a minuscule minority?

I mean 17,000 Non-Muslim deaths in 40 years justifies trillions In antiterrorism costs, and all the Civil Liberties have been taken off us? 17,000 in 40 years is not a serious threat to the West by any stretch of the imagination. 40,000 die in one year on American roads.

Especially when you consider Christian terrorists have killed far more in Europe, than Muslims have in non-Moslem countries in the entire world. Would you apply the same standards to all Christians after what Christian terrorists have done? Mohammed Ali was asked, "what's it like to be of the same faith as the people who carried out 911" to which he replied "what's it like to be of the same faith as Adolf Hitler".

I am completely against any form of terrorism "the targeting of civilians for political, religious, or economic reasons". I am completely against all the wrongdoing of all religions.

[Burgerman]

In fact, Let's times your figure by 20 years, that's 200,000 not dissimilar to the figure I gave above. Now let's just double that figure to 400,000 over 20 years, Carried out by 1,600,000,000 Muslims In over 50 countries. You really want to attack 1,600,000,000 people for the actions of a minuscule minority?

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Well lets put that into some perspective.
1. We dont attack the public, in fact in all the wars or attacks against the verious regimes accurate targeted bombing, in some cases literally through windows, or down chimneys or against a specific building or barracks etc was used. So your figures make no sense.
In Gaza for e.g, they called many days in advance, to WARN the public and to tell them when they were about to attack every place. The reason they had to do that is because around half the people in gaza are innocent civillions. The rest all are complicit, agree, and help to hide the hamas terrorist "heros". So to allow them to escape. But in many cases the regime doesent allow them to do that and uses them, children and all to hide behind or underneath where ther bases and tunnels are. All well documented.
So what can you do. Do you think that during WW2 we called the germans and warned them we wanted to take out verious carefully targeted places? No we carpet bombed many huge cities such as cologne. Because they were the enemy that was attacking us!

I mean 17,000 Non-Muslim deaths in 40 years justifies trillions In antiterrorism costs, and all the Civil Liberties have been taken off us? 17,000 in 40 years is not a serious threat to the West by any stretch of the imagination. 40,000 die in one year on American roads.

Absolutely. It is not about numbers. But living under terrorism. Every day when I watch the news theres another car driven over 30 people. Or another knife attack in a train station. Or another catholic preist has his throat slit. Or another teacher in hiding because he showed a picture of the child molester "mohammed" who married a 9 year old girl. Which they all agree with...
You cannot live like that. And israel are under this threat of being wiped out daily. For tens of years. As I keep saying you cant sleep with a rabid dog. And the NORMAL sane moderate muslims do not want it either. They are also terrorised in everyday life.

Especially when you consider Christian terrorists have killed far more in Europe, than Muslims have in non-Moslem countries in the entire world. Would you apply the same standards to all Christians after what Christian terrorists have done?

Of course. I find all religions equally disgusting. But theres a difference. The xstians finally had a reformation. And agreed that they were going to pretend that all the evil shit in their book meant something different and then they choose to pretend that it does... So they no longer do as much damage. Other than your foreskin has likely been chopped off... And kids still get brainwashed. And if you belong to the wrong church you cant get a job in the US in some places. Etc But the muslim book says that IT IS NOT TO BE INTERPRETED AND IS THE WORD OF GOD. And these people are brainwashed from birth to bekieve it. They want you dead.

Mohammed Ali was asked, "what's it like to be of the same faith as the people who carried out 911" to which he replied "what's it like to be of the same faith as Adolf Hitler".

Not equivelent. Hitler like many people did evil stuff. But he did not do it in the name of his catholic faith. Your logic failed again. Muslim faith is an ideology and they want you dead in the name of their god.

I am completely against any form of terrorism "the targeting of civilians for political, religious, or economic reasons". I am completely against all the wrongdoing of all religions.

So why are you allowing a religion that is actually an invasion of approximately 30 percent by our intelligence services that actually agree with this vile stuff?
And probably 5% by many estimates that are just waiting to kill you.

Its always the minority. In germany 99% were not nazis. They still destroyed most of europe and countless lives and millions of jews.
It doesent matter that its a minority, it matters what that ideology IS.

[Burgerman]

The Gaza strip is tiny. It has a border with israel. And a border with egypt.

Even during the time when israel are bombing gaza, egypt WILL NOT allow any border opening. They want nothing to do with gaza. Why? Because most of egypt are moderate muslims. They understand that gazans will attack them. They know that much of gaza are young and brainwashed by hamas. And are extremely keen on extremist ideology stuff, and to the point of voting in a well known extremist islamic terrorist group - (sponsored by their bosses the iranian supreme guard) - Hamas into power to rule them and to attack israel. There are half a dozen more proxies of iran too. Like hesbola etc.

So even the muslim country on their border has a wall and a lock that they will not undo.
They also want nothing to do with the gaza extremists and hamas member filling gaza as they understand the problem and dont want these vile creatures attacking and stabbing, blowing them up etc. And you cant seperate them, they live with, eat at the same tables, hide amongst the schools, children, hospitals.

[wheelchairer]

Well lets put that into some perspective.
1. We dont attack the public, in fact in all the wars or attacks against the verious regimes accurate targeted bombing, in some cases literally through windows, or down chimneys or against a specific building or barracks etc was used. So your figures make no sense.

you do know that the US was found guilty by the world Court of terrorism against the Nicaraguan's when Oliver North sold weapons to Iran to fund the Contras targeting of civilians? I've already mentioned sanctions killing 200,000 civilian children in Iraq. The massacres in Vietnam? There is loads of documentation of the U.S. Army UK targeting civilians.

In Gaza for e.g, they called many days in advance, to WARN the public and to tell them when they were about to attack every place. The reason they had to do that is because around half the people in gaza are innocent civillions. The rest all are complicit, agree, and help to hide the hamas terrorist "heros". So to allow them to escape. But in many cases the regime doesent allow them to do that and uses them, children and all to hide behind or underneath where ther bases and tunnels are. All well documented.

You still haven't red anything from Norman Finkelstein the Jewish man who has made this topic his life work?

So what can you do. Do you think that during WW2 we called the germans and warned them we wanted to take out verious carefully targeted places? No we carpet bombed many huge cities such as cologne. Because they were the enemy that was attacking us!

80,000,000 Germans killed 6,000,000 Jews. 1,600,000,000 more Muslims killing 17,000 non-Moslems in 40 years is nowhere near comparable. No government anywhere in the world thinks there is a war with 1,600,000,000 Moslems.

Absolutely. It is not about numbers. But living under terrorism. Every day when I watch the news theres another car driven over 30 people. Or another knife attack in a train station. Or another catholic preist has his throat slit. Or another teacher in hiding because he showed a picture of the child molester "mohammed" who married a 9 year old girl. Which they all agree with...
You cannot live like that.

Precisely, everyday it's endless tale of terrorism. And yet terrorism was a massively bigger problem in Europe in the seventies and eighties, all perpetrated by Christians.

Did we carpet bomb Northern Ireland?

[Burgerman]

What does any of that have to do with religious terrorism, a mental ideology, or wanting to stop it attacking you, or defending yourself from it?

Nothing...

Are you a hamas or other muslim terrorist sympathiser?

And theres around what a billion and a half muslims, of which maybe a third are either terrorists or supporters of it, at one level or another. Those are all your enemy.

And yet terrorism was a massively bigger problem in Europe in the seventies and eighties, all perpetrated by Christians.

Rubbish.

[wheelchairer]

Having said that we did targets of Civilians in Northern Ireland
Netflix say nothing

The cause of the troubles, and the role of Brigadeer Frank Kitson is rather glossed over. But quite a thought-provoking portrayal of the English occupation of Ireland. Nobody comes out untarnished, and it left Janet feeling Gerry Adams should face consequences. But if he should, so should the Prime Minister of England and his paymasters for employing this man and his tactics, for which he was to become the 1st Jew to receive the George Cross.
David Burke's book describes how a young Captain Kitson learnt to kill during Britain’s barbaric suppression of the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya. Kitson became a counter-insurgency specialist. The ‘pseudo-gang’ tactics he refined in Kenya were later applied to Northern Ireland where he created the MRF assassination squad and let his troops shoot unarmed civilians in Ballymurphy, Belfast, and, on Bloody Sunday, more again in Derry.

[wheelchairer]

What does any of that have to do with religious terrorism, a mental ideology, or wanting to stop it attacking you, or defending yourself from it?

Nothing...

Are you a hamas or other muslim terrorist sympathiser?

And theres around what a billion and a half muslims, of which maybe a third are either terrorists or supporters of it, at one level or another. Those are all your enemy.

And yet terrorism was a massively bigger problem in Europe in the seventies and eighties, all perpetrated by Christians.

Rubbish.

Sorry chart above is A lie? I get you 20 more confirming the figures.

No I don't support them. I would just like to See an end to young English lads dying on foreign soils that have nothing to do with us, because of politicians egos such as Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher. What was the benefit of all those young lads dying in Afghanistan?

[Burgerman]

Religion again...
And you still ask me why I object to religious letters written by the bewildered? And why its my job logically to unconvert as many of these brainwashed idiots as possible?

The now dead cristopher hitchins, was travelling from across the border in ireland in a hire car to get to a radio station talk show for an interview. As he got to the border his car was stopped by a couple of IRA maniacs with a machine gun. They openned the door and asked him:

Are you protestant or catholic? He answered "athiest". They looked baffled. And looked at each other. Then they asked "are you a catholic or a protestant athiest? They genuinely couldnt fathom the concept.

Thats how stupid these religious morons are. Thats a true story, relayed by the guy he was with in the same radio show interview.

[wheelchairer]

Religion again...
And you still ask me why I object to religious letters written by the bewildered? And why its my job logically to unconvert as many of these brainwashed idiots as possible?

The now dead cristopher hitchins, was travelling from across the border in ireland in a hire car to get to a radio station talk show for an interview. As he got to the border his car was stopped by a couple of IRA maniacs with a machine gun. They openned the door and asked him:

Are you protestant or catholic? He answered "athiest". They looked baffled. And looked at each other. Then they asked "are you a catholic or a protestant athiest? They genuinely couldnt fathom the concept.

Thats how stupid these religious morons are. Thats a true story, relayed by the guy he was with in the same radio show interview.

That's an old joke John, it's been going round for years.
Have a look at the history of Ireland John, it's a very educational study, Which has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with invading other people's countries, and getting rich from their countries resources. That's what empires do. The Romans did it. The Egyptians did it. The French did it. Every single Empire ever has done it.It's not anti-British to state the truth, it's just an obvious fact from history about empires, and the opposition those empires cause.

In the sixties there was loads of secular organisations organising to end Western control of their oil, They were all defeated. And it wasn't until the US funded Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan against Russian imperialism, that Islamic nationalism had any influence.

[wheelchairer]

Thanks for your conversation John. I always enjoy it. There is no one else I know has your knowledge on physics et cetera. And I have learned a lot.

[wheelchairer]

In Europe alone what is the comparison in the number of deaths from terrorism in Europe in the seventies and eighties compared to the 2000
ChatGPT said:
Terrorism-related deaths in Europe were significantly higher in the 1970s and 1980s compared to the 2000s.

Comparison of Terrorism Deaths in Europe
1970s–1980s:
The 1970s and 1980s saw widespread terrorist activity, mostly from nationalist and separatist groups, as well as left-wing and right-wing extremist groups.
Major groups included:
IRA (Irish Republican Army) in the UK and Ireland
ETA (Euskadi Ta Askatasuna) in Spain
Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction in Germany
Brigate Rosse (Red Brigades) in Italy
Death tolls were in the thousands, with some years seeing several hundred deaths.
The worst decade was the 1980s, where attacks peaked, particularly from the IRA and ETA.
2000s–2020s:
Post-9/11, terrorism in Europe shifted focus towards jihadist terrorism, alongside a decline in separatist and ideological terrorism.
The 2000s had fewer deaths compared to the 1970s and 1980s.
However, the 2010s saw a spike with major attacks like:
Madrid train bombings (2004) – 193 deaths
London bombings (2005) – 52 deaths
Paris (2015, Bataclan attacks) – 130 deaths
Nice (2016, truck attack) – 86 deaths
Despite these high-profile attacks, the total number of deaths in the 2000s–2020s is still much lower than in the 1970s and 1980s.
Key Takeaways:
The 1970s and 1980s saw higher numbers of deaths per year due to separatist and left-wing extremist violence.
The 2000s and onwards have had fewer total deaths, but the nature of attacks changed, with Islamist terrorism causing the most casualties.
Separatist violence has largely declined, with groups like the IRA and ETA disbanding or ceasing armed conflict.
Would you like a specific breakdown of figures for each decade?

[Burgerman]

Its not about the deaths. Its the terrorism, the ideology, gang rapes, changing laws, changing communities, making people fear even mentioning the koran, forcing polititions to look the other way while they scream islamaphobia whilst gang raping thousands of pre teen girls for decades across much of the country, and way more that you dont and wont understand because you dont live here. Deaths are a small part of this islamic takeover of europe. And the people never ask for it and voted against it for 25 years. And still the elites, the left, the globalists are allowing and encouraging more and more of it. The US hasnt got that problem so you do not understand it.

We have the 3rd world, african muslims that are known as rapeugees, as well. They are massively over represented in every possible crime. And have taken over our capital.

When I was a teenager london was 95% white british native and it was clean, and had british values and was reasonably safe.
Now its under 20% white british, and basically a forein country where stabbings, rapes, pro hamas demonstators run riot, and its a filthy scruff dangerous shithole compared to what it once was.

Same applies to a slightly lesser degree to big cities everywhere in the EU inc here. The rise of the so called far right (basically trumps values) are growing rapidly across europe. But the elites in charge are doing anything possible to ignore it STILL.

In germany yesterday, a new party that is basically another trump, just came a close second in their elections. They have 6 or 7 parties, and they do not have a first past the post system. No single party gets a high enough vote to govern so they have to join forces with other party or parties. And predictably, ALL the other parties have said that they will never join forces with the AFD. So there will be a coaliytion of green, left, crackpots, and the centrerist parties basically bullying the right out. Ignoring the peoples vote yet again. It is happening everywhere including the US. The people eventually wake up, then the shit hits the fan because the polititions ignored them. Wait and see.

[wheelchairer]

Its not about the deaths. Its the terrorism, the ideology, gang rapes, changing laws, changing communities, making people fear even mentioning the koran, forcing polititions to look the other way while they scream islamaphobia whilst gang raping thousands of pre teen girls for decades across much of the country, and way more that you dont and wont understand because you dont live here. Deaths are a small part of this islamic takeover of europe. And the people never ask for it and voted against it for 25 years. And still the elites, the left, the globalists are allowing and encouraging more and more of it. The US hasnt got that problem so you do not understand it.

We have the 3rd world, african muslims that are known as rapeugees, as well. They are massively over represented in every possible crime. And have taken over our capital.

When I was a teenager london was 95% white british native and it was clean, and had british values and was reasonably safe.
Now its under 20% white british, and basically a forein country where stabbings, rapes, pro hamas demonstators run riot, and its a filthy scruff dangerous shithole compared to what it once was.

Same applies to a slightly lesser degree to big cities everywhere in the EU inc here. The rise of the so called far right (basically trumps values) are growing rapidly across europe. But the elites in charge are doing anything possible to ignore it STILL.

In germany yesterday, a new party that is basically another trump, just came a close second in their elections. They have 6 or 7 parties, and they do not have a first past the post system. No single party gets a high enough vote to govern so they have to join forces with other party or parties. And predictably, ALL the other parties have said that they will never join forces with the AFD. So there will be a coaliytion of green, left, crackpots, and the centrerist parties basically bullying the right out. Ignoring the peoples vote yet again. It is happening everywhere including the US. The people eventually wake up, then the shit hits the fan because the polititions ignored them. Wait and see.

Thank you John. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being honest, apply to yourself the same standards you apply to me. You ask for clarity and evidence. It's not as if I haven't been interested in this topic for 40 years. AND the country hasn't been interested in the topic since 1862 (1st immigration statistics By the right-wing when there was virtually no statistics collected by government, And virtually no immigration. I will find you the graph).

For me I'm not interested in allegations, hard facts. Statistics. With no evidence there is nothing for me to believe.

I've looked at your website for a couple of hours, and it is statistically insignificant. Are the extremists extreme, of course. Your statistics didn't vary much from mine off chat GPT, and they are statistically insignificant. You cannot write off 1,600,000,000 people, for 10,000 deaths per year. Do you honestly believe there are not Christian extremists, white supremacist extremist? Did you know that the biggest contributor to The terrorist death toll in America is the far right?

I've looked into prison statistics On paedophiles, I told you what they were, and you told me they were wrong, so give me the correct ones and their source.

I have a Kenyan girl putting me in and out of bed. She paid £30,000 student fees, and £10,000 immigration fees. Students are the Vast majority of immigrants in the last major spike under the Tories(Source, Rupert Murdochs's Sky News). The others major sources of emigration are the NHS staff, and I can't remember the others but vitally needed workers. Refugees and boat people Were FAIRLY insignificant, coming in at just under 2% of immigration.

At this time the Tories were making massive Noises about boats, it was a massive In the media, It was a major topic, like it has always done it brought about a physically hostile attitude to immigrants in general. Now if the Tories were Genuinely interested in immigration why did they let so many in? If the Tories have been genuinely interested in immigration since 1862, why haven't they done something about? ALL politicians don't do anything about immigration, why? Because the scared As you say, or because there is financial benefits to their donors, benefactors, financiers, who really call the tune? You give me woolly answers Such as "scared", BUT I think there is far more lucrative reason why they do nothing about Immigration,,,, except Of course TALK A LOT immigration, almost never-ending, for 163 years.

there are no legal statistics on grooming gangs, because legally the term isn't recognised. The term was made up by the newspapers for no other reason to sell newspapers, and earn revenue from advertising. I told you I looked up the statistics for paedophiles and they were roughly in line with the general population. What's more all my other research and grooming gangs does not support the sensationalism of the tabloids. So if you have any statistics on it supply them. My greatest pleasure is being convinced I'm wrong, and so learning. It's why I have studied everyday for 40 years.

" And still the elites, the left, the globalists are allowing and encouraging more and more of it. " Very woolly terms. What you mean by elites? What you mean by the left? What you mean by the globalist?

as an interesting practical solution to your fears and concerns, I would agree with ending all immigration for a trial period, if For the same trial time we could end all invasions. Would you agree?


PS. Assimilation should be the aim of any immigrant including the British all over the world. Somewhere between 40 and 70,000,000 people of English descent in the US, 99% of whom have assimilated. But that's not true everywhere. Why? Just because it makes things socially easier, less awkward, when you have the same culture language Values et cetera. In making this point so you understand I do not believe you are completely wrong. I just think there is information you're not including in your data-processing.We have a long history of racism in this country and I know all the views you hold above I would hold now if I hadn't looked at a broader scope of data then when I was brought up racist, sexist, homophobic and many other antiquated unnecessary views.

[wheelchairer]

My dad fought in Africa and up through Italy, and his experience taught him that it was "impossible for black people to drive". My mother died just a few weeks ago, and hadn't been racist for about 18 month, but only because of the dementia. I remember documentaries explaining how black people were the white man's burden. I remember how black people were portrayed as the gang rapers, pimps, drug dealers and any other kind of ne'er-do-well, In the education system, the media, and everyday language/discourse. Just like everybody else, this affected me and my political leanings. 1 of my 1st political acts at the age of about 25, was to read Mein Kampf. What I'm trying to tell you here is, I'm 65, I believed all the things that people have said about immigrants, the British Empire, the superiority of the British. There is virtually nothing that you believe in the political sphere that I haven't believed at some point in my life. So I do understand very well what you are saying, and how it is MOTIVATED towards the greater good. I could Relate to and understand why in the nineteen thirties Mein Kampf was perceived to be a reasonable alternative to what existed, And even Hitler genuinely believed he was contributing to the greater good.

[Burgerman]

I've looked at your website for a couple of hours, and it is statistically insignificant. Are the extremists extreme, of course. Your statistics didn't vary much from mine off chat GPT, and they are statistically insignificant. You cannot write off 1,600,000,000 people, for 10,000 deaths per year. Do you honestly believe there are not Christian extremists, white supremacist extremist? Did you know that the biggest contributor to The terrorist death toll in America is the far right?

As explained preiously its called terrorism because unlike governments dropping bombs etc they dont have the weapons to kill huge numbers. But thats not the point at all. Its about the fact that relatively small numbers of explosions etc cause fear amongst the public. Its also about the fact that they have hugely changed the society that many live in for the worse. As I said, most of the places where they have literally taken over, such as most of the capital is now a dangerous filthy scruffy shithole. I honestly dont recognise that as the britain I knew.
The only places that escape this are those that have alsoms no forced immigration. My town for e.g. Isnt full. Its gor a few percent. Even then its too many and I can see it goung the same way as the big cities.

I've looked into prison statistics On paedophiles, I told you what they were, and you told me they were wrong, so give me the correct ones and their source.

Do you deny that blacks and muslims are massively over represented in all crimes? If so then I am highly confused. Those stats were very much available, until recently. When the labour government REMOVED them from the public and even the reform party in parliment were arguing that they should be available. They were removed becaus startmers government doesent want reform and people generally to KNOW the crime rates by ethnicity. In the same way that when someone gets stabbed, or raped (as happened yesterday on a bridge in grimsby) they now refuse to mention that he was black. They will say if he is white! They gave a description of his clothing, height, build, that he had a dog, but as soon as they omit colour we all know that its another one...

I have a Kenyan girl putting me in and out of bed. She paid £30,000 student fees, and £10,000 immigration fees. Students are the Vast majority of immigrants in the last major spike under the Tories(Source, Rupert Murdochs's Sky News). The others major sources of emigration are the NHS staff, and I can't remember the others but vitally needed workers. Refugees and boat people Were FAIRLY insignificant, coming in at just under 2% of immigration.

So do I. She was born in kenya, but white. So what?
The only reason we NEED immigrants is because we have imported 10 million people in recent years (all the various uniparty globalist idiots that refused to listen to the people and that totally lied to us). Talking of which the reson we voted brexit was to CONTROL borders and stop the madness. Those same 10 million that is still climbing also need houses, all other services and infrastructure, etc so its a rediculous thing to say. If we halve the population then we need half as many workers, half the food, half the NHS etc. In any case at least half the NHS are unessassary. They employ layers of beuriocrats for everrything and then go around it twos holding hands like the nurses that came here over the last month.

At this time the Tories were making massive Noises about boats, it was a massive In the media, It was a major topic, like it has always done it brought about a physically hostile attitude to immigrants in general. Now if the Tories were Genuinely interested in immigration why did they let so many in? If the Tories have been genuinely interested in immigration since 1862, why haven't they done something about? ALL politicians don't do anything about immigration, why?

Because they DONT WANT TO. They are all interested in dsome massive one world government open borders, and centralised control and we have not had a real tory government, just one that got ever more liberal and woke since thatcher. Its why they got such a massive kicking and are out of power because they LIE. They say one thing, and do the opposite. They for e.g hated and refused to do brexit. And still avent done it. It took 8 years of infighting and 4 prime ministers to get one that still didnt do it but said he had.

Because the scared As you say, or because there is financial benefits to their donors, benefactors, financiers, who really call the tune? You give me woolly answers Such as "scared", BUT I think there is far more lucrative reason why they do nothing about Immigration,,,, except Of course TALK A LOT immigration, almost never-ending, for 163 years.

Theres many reasons. Such as they dont have the balls, and that the majority of the government dont want it. They are all lefty globalists. There is no tory party. And the civil service actually run the country, making it all but impossible. After mass immigration for decades, we are now POORER by miles, and so the argument for economics is rediculous. What matters isnt total size of the economy but the living standards of those here. Which is in a massive decline.
Why? Way too socialist, too marxist, too globalist, too much tax on business and rich, too many worker protection and green bollox. We will be 3rd world soon.

there are no legal statistics on grooming gangs, because legally the term isn't recognised.

There are called grooming gangs because the real term, muslim gang rape gangs. Which we know they are would make the public think muslims are the problem. Which of course they are. Why is it always muslims why is it that almost every one of these gangs are almost completely muslim? Because in their book their own hero married a 9 year old. And they see that as their right. The same religious book that muslims believe tells them its fine to do this to non muslim girls. Or any females that dont cover everything up. Its not their fault its the womens fault. So they punish the women.
Not great values to import into the west in literally a million a year into the UK alone is it?

[wheelchairer]

Too many topics not enough facts. Here are some statistics facts and chart.
Immigration

And still the elites, the left, the globalists are allowing and encouraging more and more of it. The US hasnt got that problem so you do not understand it.

[YouTube]https://youtu.be/Iizrwurkmgc?t=32[/YouTube]
https://youtu.be/Iizrwurkmgc?t=32

You are absolutely right John, the elites and the globalists, Are the driving force behind immigration. Always have been.

Now in what year John was Margaret Thatcher elected? What happens to the chart? Did you know There were members of Thatchers government who openly Advocated a free market In immigration? What's more Margaret Thatcher's American Liberal political Educators also advocated a free market in immigration. Immigration and the free-market go hand-in-hand. The 19 C Liberals, Thatcherites, Reaganites, hyack All advocate a free market.

Now there hasn't been a Labour government that advocated Keynesianism, rather than Thatcherism, and protectionism, since 1978. Every single government has had a Thatcherite consensus since 1979, just like the Keynesian consensus between 1945 and 1978. There has been 0 change 19th-century liberals economic policy, immigration policy, since Thatcher.

There are quite sensible and lucrative obvious reasons why the people who really run this country, the entrepreneurs, love immigration.
1. Cheap labour.
2. Immigration supply of labour, pushes the demand for Labour down and so the price of indigenous labour.
3. And if Entrepreneurs TALK very loudly about immigrants being the problem In the media they own, the Brucie bonus that the entrepreneurs love, The labourers blames the immigrants instead of the entrepreneurs for making labour Paid less.

You're absolutely right the globalist, the global free market is who see the nationstate as an obstacle, want to castrate the nationstate and the influence of the people, so they cannot defend themselves from the entrepreneurs. Just like Elon mosque, And Trump, and Margaret Thatcher they love free marketing labour so supply and demand reduces its cost and increases their profits.

[wheelchairer]

Obviously they didn't mention their advocacy for a free market in labour, immigration, because, oh look surprise surprise immigration is a big issue

Thatcher had made comments in 1978 about Britain being “swamped” by Commonwealth immigrants, which stirred controversy and drew some National Front voters to the Conservatives. .

Interesting question just occurred to me, BNP National front okay to call far right?