2 inch front suspension lift.

[sacharlie]

As stated here. How do you suppose they accomplished? Just a strut spacer maybe?

http://www.goldlinemobility.com/rear-entry-minivans/

[Burgerman]

There are many ways. Some good, some not so good.

Rear is leaf springs. A longer hanger, or a different leaf, or moving the axle from above to bellow, or adding a spacer, are all regularly done by custom car and drag race guys. And a spring assisted damper also can raise ride height.

Front, can be a simple spacer, a longer or stiffer spring, or a new longer "tow pack" or aftermarket strut.

Be careful, because some mods use up suspension travel by only raising the height with stock shocks or geometry. And some change the spring rate, or damper compression or rebound damping detrimentally.

Heres a pic of mine. Lowest point is just behind the front wheel. On the skirt. Its 8.8 inches - measured.

This is a "tow pack" rear and front spring/shock as fitted stock to a rollx 2007 van. Plus slightly bigger rims/tyres. Never hit anything so far.

[sacharlie]

BM what size wheels and tires do you have on you van now? I'm not sure even after reading the startech thread.

Did you have low clearance issues before you increased the clearance?

[sacharlie]

I found it, I new you had told me just a few weeks back. 245/70r19!

[sacharlie]

Ok I looked up the specs for your 2007. It shows 113" wheelbase 5.4" ground clearance. The 2013/14 I'm looking at shows 121" WB and 5.6" GC.
2007 used 215/65r16 or 27" diameter you went to 245/70r19 or 32.5" adding 2.75" ground clearance(1.5" from wheel & 1.25" increase tire profile).
The 2013/14 is on 225/65r17 or 28.5" and I plan to go 245/70r17 or 30.5" adding 1.0" ground clearance from a 1" increase in tire profile only.
Your increase over stock tires is 20% while mine is only 7% and if you've had no drive train issues than I surely shouldn't. The stock spec sheet on the 2007 shows a final drive ratio of 2.49 and the 2013/14 shows 3.16.

[sacharlie]

Woops I found some Micheline 235/80r17 or 31.8" that will give me a good 1.5" lift up plus only 9.3" wide on 6.5" rim. More in line to stock width.

[Burgerman]

I have used stock, and 18 inch rims with 245/50 tyres.
And 19 inch rims with 245/45 tyres at this moment.

And 20 inch X 9 rims with 235/40 will also work I think?

Even on stock rims there was a good bit more than 6 inches though. Definitely not 5.x inches. Unless that means loaded or something.

[sacharlie]

5.4 & 5.6" is from Chrylser/Dodge. Rollx shows now 5.5 min muffler and 7" on ground effects. But I gonna have to back off that 235/80r17 it weighs close to 20lbs over the 225/65r17 each tire, its a truck tire. 245/70r17 is only 7lbs per tire. The folks on the minivan forums all seem to say they don't have any issues running stock tires with just the 5.5" clearance at the muffler. Motoman says he has bottomed a time or two. I don't want to change wheels so guess I'll just go with the 1" tire increase.
That will clear a dead skunk in the road.

[Burgerman]

I looked under mine a few times when on a ramp etc. The exhaust is no lower than the body panels are. I doubt you will hit anything even with stock rims and tyres. But they drive a bit "sloppy" and loose with stock rims/tyres.

Much nicer and more accurate with better feel and less body roll on the 19s... More kart than boat. And runflat... The main reason to swap.

[Irving]

. And runflat... The main reason to swap.

I can see the logic of runflat if you're on your own but officially they cant be repaired. My wife had runflats on her BMW Mini Cooper and we replaced one tyre (nsr) 3 times because of a nail.. tyre never deflated just lost 2 or 3 psi/week but was ridiculously expensive to replace each time when it could have been plugged.

[Burgerman]

They can:

Be plugged. Same as any other tyre. Without removal.
Have a tube fitted (not wise due to heat)But it still cant go flat!
Patched internally.

Or add a splash of OKO sealer. Inflate and drive off. forget it ever happened.

[motoman]

I don't really know squat about run flats other than how they pertain to the Honda Odyssey. Honda had a huge class action lawsuit a year or so ago with the PAX runflat tires. they wear fast, are wicked expensive to replace, have short lives and require special equipment to replace as the inner and outer bead are different sizes and are constructed differently. they sounded nice when I was van shopping as it sounded like a good idea. I found a AAA membership is much cheaper and they are quick as bunnies.

[sacharlie]

Braun uses front and rear spacers(found that in service bulletins) so most likely so does all the others. Now Braun does a Chrysler/Dodge & Toyota regular and tall conversion. 4" difference on the C/D and 2" difference on the Toyota. With a friendly dealer they could interchange the tall spacers into the regular conversion giving a 4" lift on the C/D and a 2" lift on the Toyota. The same could most likely be done by a custom shop as stated by BM's above post.

[Irving]

They can:

Be plugged. Same as any other tyre. Without removal.
Have a tube fitted (not wise due to heat)But it still cant go flat!
Patched internally.

Or add a splash of OKO sealer. Inflate and drive off. forget it ever happened.

Yes, I know they can be plugged, and the OEM (Pirelli) admitted the same, but they still issue an 'advisory' not to do so and despite checking with about 20 tyre shops in the area, couldn't find one that would agree to plug it - all cited 'manufacturer says no'.

[Burgerman]

Well they would!

They are selling you a new tyre...

But you can DIY without removal, or just add a small amount of OKO and drive away.

[Burgerman]

I don't really know squat about run flats other than how they pertain to the Honda Odyssey. Honda had a huge class action lawsuit a year or so ago with the PAX runflat tires. they wear fast, are wicked expensive to replace, have short lives and require special equipment to replace as the inner and outer bead are different sizes and are constructed differently. they sounded nice when I was van shopping as it sounded like a good idea. I found a AAA membership is much cheaper and they are quick as bunnies.

No idea where you got this info from. Maybe those are some oddball runflats that are specific to Honda.

In general there are lots of runflat tyres available. ALMOST all work the same way and are interchangeable.
They are identical to other "normal" tyres in every way but for a reinforced sidewall, so they can let you drive 50 to 100 miles at reduced speed to get home. Or more if you don't worry about these things... My brother came home from Southern France at 70mph and about 750 miles on one at night then threw it away... That one looked ruined though.

They wear at the same rate as any similar tyre if correctly inflated.
They fit any stock rim and no special wheel rim is advised or requested by the manufacturer.
Can be fitted with a stock tyre fitting device by a normal tyre fitter at any tyre depot.
They can be repaired or plugged in the same way as a stock tyre can, since there is almost no difference other than the sidewalls being stiffer.
Inner and outer beads are identical.

If you want to comply with the rules of the tyre manufacturer (not the law) you should have tyre pressure monitors fitted. But I don't. I can feel quite clearly when they are deflated, its obvious. To find out, just deflate one and drive 100 yards... I check them monthly anyway.

Pirelli

Life span of Run Flat Tyres

The materials used to manufacture run flat tyres are similar or identical to conventional tyres, so their wear rates should be comparable. Keeping the correct air pressure in your tyres (no matter what type) is the best way to ensure a longer life from your tyres.

[motoman]

No idea where you got this info from. Maybe those are some oddball runflats that are specific to Honda.

Not an oddball, these are made by Michelin and dont use standard anything and are about 1800 dollars a set on an Odyssey. http://www.michelinman.com/automotive-t ... n-pax.page

[Burgerman]

Michelin also make "regular" runflats with stiffer sidewalls. http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop. ... p=R-135938

Those new ones are some new over complex arrangement. As such I wouldn't get involved.

All the runflats I ever saw lately are just standard looking tyres, fit on any normal rim. With stiffer sidewalls.

Click search here: http://www.mytyres.co.uk/Run-Flat-Tyres.html All these fit conventional rims.

Michelin seem to have literally reinvented the wheel again.

[motoman]

Those new ones are some new over complex arrangement. As such I wouldn't get involved.
.

Agreed, hence the lawsuit. Michelin has been putting these on touring Honda Osysseys I believe since 05 so there not new but quite complex. Most shops don't even have the equipment to change one. I'm surprised there still being sold.

[Burgerman]

Why a lawsuit? You choose these, and pay for them over the other alternatives. It is / was the buyers choice. What does a lawsuit do to change this?

Even if they were a compulsory fitment, you still have to choose that van to buy? Over any alternatives.

[sacharlie]

Way too many lawyers!

[motoman]

Why a lawsuit?

You got me. I believe they were standard on touring model Odysseys, but, I believe as the story goes they did not last nearly as long mileage wise coupled with the insane replacement costs Michelin and Honda relented. But like Charlie said, the lawyers got most of the money.

[dannos85]

Off Topic Here Guys... Getting back on track...

I need the front of my 2007 "57" Braun Entervan lifting, What do I need to purchase in order to get it done?

Its a struggle to find a kit, Im thinking of a spacer on top of the strut's ?

I slow way before the speed bumps & roll over as gently as possible, the plastic lip still catches every time. (nothing wrong with them, just stock voyager)

Soon to fit startech rims with 245/45r19 (lets not get off subject). Even with the wheel/tyre swap its still too low.

Needs a good lift so I can fit my Startech Stainless Bar kit without wrecking it... Lower bar attaches to the plastic lip

[Burgerman]

http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/images- ... medium.jpg

The front is miles off the deck. I cannot understand how you are hitting it. The bumps must be at least 12 inches high?

[sacharlie]

This past week I bought a 2013 Toyota Sienna with the VMI Northstar 360. The stock tires are 235/60r17 so I plan to put 245/70r17 to add ~1.25" for 6.75" ground clearance at the muffler(lowest point).

[Burgerman]

If they don't hit anything on full lock. I would take a careful look before spending.