Q LOGIC PROGRAMMING INTERFACE

[woodygb]

It's an MC2 socket .

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http://curtisinst.com/Uploads/DataSheets/MC2web.pdf

[woodygb]

Ah! .... Finally found some more info that I hadn't seen before on the pin designations and an indication that the MC2 is probably programmed via a Serial interface rather than the CANBUS....that makes life a little easier as far as the programming cable interface is concerned.

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[woodygb]

Hi there I'm not sure if this is the right place to Post these or not so bear with me. My partner has been trying to find out about programming my Otto Bok B600 without much luck. I think he's read some of the threads here but he is so far not much further on. Getting hold of the programmer seems to be a major problem. Burgerman suggested that I post some pictures of the control box so here they are - if I can work out how to do it. Ah! I have to make my images smaller. I'll do that and try again.

P.M. me....

BTW the pic doesn't show the main control box ... that box is I believe for the seat tilt.

[woodygb]

mssmith ..you have private messaged me ...BUT...I can't reply due to your profile settings,

Here's the error I'm getting when I try to reply.

Some users couldn’t be added as they have disabled private message receipt.

[mssmith]

Hi Steve, I'm a technical ignoramus I don't know what kind of Control System it is. Here is another Picture of the thing which might give you a bit more information. Cheers, J

[mssmith]

Hi Woody, I'll look at my settings and try and sort that out cheers, J

[woodygb]

Did you download the MC2 manual? ... it has pictures

http://curtisinst.com/Uploads/DataSheets/MC2web.pdf

Despite the relabeling by Ottobock ..the item that you have photographed looks like a seat module.

[woodygb]

Service manual.
http://www.ottobock.com/cps/rde/xbcr/ob ... -1003w.pdf

Page 24 shows the location of the main control box.

Page 76 on for more about the controller.

[pitboss]

Hi, my name is John.I have a brother who is a quad.He recently Purchased a Quantum Rival with a Q-logic 2 controller.He is having steering problems which I have found out are common.He has already had the tech attempt to repair with programming but failed.I have found a place to rent an oem 1311-4401 or 1313-4401 programmer for a reasonable price.Will I be able to program with either of these programmers?Thank you.

[Burgerman]

He has already had the tech attempt to repair with programming but failed

Because you require a programmer that can remove the steering delays and accelerations.
-turn acc,
-turn deceleration,
-min turn acc,
-min turn dec,
by setting these to max or 100. This will remove all the turn delays and make it turn when told and stop turning when you tell it to do so.

However. Pride keep this under lock and key, and in fact claim it doesent exist. It does, much as it does with all the other controllers on every other power chair. But you cant get access to it. So basically you are a bit screwed. Its one reason many here advise never buying pride powerchairs.

[pitboss]

Even though the programmers claim to be oem and have oem part numbers they are not the correct programmers? Will they not interface? I was disappointed to find the reviews on this chair to be so poor.It is six months old and is already broken.His old chair is a 16 year old Invacare and is the only chair working right now.I think the new chair is dangerous as he has already ran over a friends foot.Luckily no one was hurt.It must be fixed.Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[Burgerman]

I may be wrong. But I doubt you will find an OEM programmer for this.

I think the only way that this can be done is to go to your provider and he has to get pride to email an overlay with greater permissions, and they change it. But they will presume you are nuts and wont do what you want. And if they do they will likely just change the settings a bit, or only do the high speed ones (not min).

It may be also possible to change the 4 settings required without an oem programmer but your service guy is useless.

[Burgerman]

Heres what it should be capable of. Everything set to 90 to start but too innacurate for me, then 100...

http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/gopro/control.mp4

[ex-Gooserider]

I seem to remember some threads a while back that there were some folks that had some luck with using a Curtis programmer on Pride Q-logic stuff, at least some of their models...

If I remember it was a Gologen or some user like that? Might be worth searching for.....

The other option I'd consider, not cheap and falls in the 'major surgery' class, would be to get a Pilot+ setup off of eBay and replace the Q-logic junk w/ something that can be programmed....

ex-Gooserider

[gwnys]

Hi Folks, long term reader here. I need some help.

I have just been issued chair number three, and this is the best one yet. Might not be what some can get but the best I can acquire through my means. It's a Quantum Rival, with the Song Motor Package.

I have scoured the forums and the web looking for a working link to download the software to program this chair myself. I have the Quantum Q-Logic 2 controller. My chair needs a bunch of tweaking and I'd much rather do this myself.

There should be an aptitude test that we can take and if successful can then be issued the software from our vendor or someone. Too bad that's a big fairy tail fantasy.

So if anyone knows where I might find this software I would be grateful. All modes need work and I so want to do the adjustments myself. I have skills from my prior life and can easily solder cables and connectors. But without this software I'm lost and dependent on the companies who own the handheld programmers.

So, any help? Anyone?

TIA

~Glen
gwnys
gwnys (AT) stny.rr.com

[Burgerman]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2757&start=300#p72144
The link above takes you up by about 4 posts. Sadly this is the only correct answer.

[woodygb]

Here's a Qlogic connected to the 1314 OEM software using the technique pioneered by Gologen.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4867&start=160#p72307

[Burgerman]

I may be wrong. But I doubt you will find an OEM programmer for this.

The Q-logic 2 is all new, the firmware at very least will be different. It is unlikely to work or connect I would have thought.

http://www.quantumrehab.com/electronics/q-logic-2.asp

Unless its just a typical pride marketing upgrade, just looks different on the outside!

But all the extra stuff inc bluetooth, and control for that iLevel thingy must need some new settings and firmware options. So at very least you will probably need Pride branded later OEM version and since pride decided its now "in house" rather than Curtis built (for them), and claims the OEM software version doesent even exist, then I would think its maybe going to be very hard to find a version new enough to work. At least an OEM version that allows the sort of control everyone wants.

Having said that, I did read this. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4867&start=160#p72307
Does it only read, or does it allow changes?

This might be the OEM version that Mark claims doesent exist?

[pitboss]

Burger I hope you are wrong but I think you are right. I realized that these are Curtis programmers not Pride by Curtis. Technician came out to repair the chair and was a tech who has worked on my brothers other chair over the years. when parts come in he is going to try to program the chair. We will see how that goes.

The main problem he has is while turning from a stop the chair seems to go really fast left or right with no ability to feather it. Which setting would need to be changed to correct this problem?

Also can I go to an older joystick to program? It has a 1466 comtroller installed. ex-Gooserider suggested in an extreme case to install a Pilot+ system. I hope it doesn't come to that but I will consider it if we can not fix the chair.

Programmer rental is cheap.... 30 dollars per month for a 1311 or 40 dollars for a 1313 so we can experiment.At least I have learned a ton from this board about power chairs.It is fascinating and it amazes me as to how much brain power that the members of this message board has!Really appreciate the help and thanks to all.

Burgerman.....the BM3 is awesome!!

[Burgerman]

The main problem he has is while turning from a stop the chair seems to go really fast left or right with no ability to feather it. Which setting would need to be changed to correct this problem?

ALL powerchairs are shipped with the following 4 crazy setting making them steer like a crazy drunken sailor.

1. Turn Acceleration
2. Turn Deceleration
3. LOW SPEED (or MIN) Turn Acceleration
4. LOW SPEED (or MIN) Turn Acceleration

All 4 need to be set to OFF which means set to 100%.
These are typically set between 15 and 35 percent, making the chair almost uncontrollable.

Otherwise you always get a delayed and ever increasing ACELERATING turn rate, and it keeps on turning long after you panic and try to stop it.... Hence wrecked door frames and inability to steer accurately. Same on every chair on the planet.

Turn RATE and LOW SPEED or MIN TURN RATES may now need to be reduced. To your taste.

[gwnys]

The main problem he has is while turning from a stop the chair seems to go really fast left or right with no ability to feather it. Which setting would need to be changed to correct this problem?

ALL powerchairs are shipped with the following 4 crazy setting making them steer like a crazy drunken sailor.

1. Turn Acceleration
2. Turn Deceleration
3. LOW SPEED (or MIN) Turn Acceleration
4. LOW SPEED (or MIN) Turn Acceleration

All 4 need to be set to OFF which means set to 100%.
These are typically set between 15 and 35 percent, making the chair almost uncontrollable.

Otherwise you always get a delayed and ever increasing ACELERATING turn rate, and it keeps on turning long after you panic and try to stop it.... Hence wrecked door frames and inability to steer accurately. Same on every chair on the planet.

Turn RATE and LOW SPEED or MIN TURN RATES may now need to be reduced. To your taste.

I can't wait to get a cable and adjust these parameters as this sounds like my own issue.

Thanks Mr B!

[Burgerman]

Itrs actually EVERYBODIES problem There are those that have changed these settings such as many on this forum and those that have not. All those that have not do have this problem, even if they THINK they dont. The difference is that they are ignorant of how direct and controllable it should be or could be.

In some systems these 4 can be adjusted with a dealer programmer. But in some only the high speed one can be changed with a dealer programmer.

In others theere may be "walls" set up, so you cant set them to 100. In others they are not all visible. In these cases you require OEM level access. They may be called something different too, or similar sounding.

[gwnys]

Does anyone know what the pins we need for this cable are?

I have tried to dissect every cable plug I could find around here and all these pins are too big or too small. I have the USB/CAN adapter on order from the other side of the world. But need to know exactly what pins to order.

Thanks folks
gw

[ex-Gooserider]

I don't know if you have the same type plug as some of the earlier Pride controllers. Their plug looked like a standard XLR plug with a couple of extra smaller socket holes added, with the matching pins only present in the programmer plug....

If so, the programmer plug is proprietary and not available.

Search back in the threads, around the same time as the earlier Gologen thread (possibly the same one?) and they had a couple of solutions...

1. Make a 'suicide cable' with a couple of bare pins (IIRC they used paper clips) to stick in the holes...

2. Get fancy and drill a standard male XLR plug to add the extra pins. IIRC they used spring loaded 'pogo pins' and sockets (as used in electronics test fixtures) to make the pins....

See the original thread for details...

ex-Gooserider

[SouthmanGA]

I'm needing to get this chair sped up, and I've read up on Quantum chairs. I've tried using a dealer programmer, but when I got to the setting(s), the +/- wouldn't allow the # to move. It is my guess it is locked? I also saw the instructions on how to build the programming interface, buy that usb and build a cable, but it's a little above my current capabilities. I called Quantumrehab, but as folks have said, they're about as useful and forthcoming with any help as an worn-out wheelchair tire.

Am I just screwed in my hopes of speeding this thing up for use in power soccer? I know it's not an optimum chair to use, but it is twice the size of an average StrikeForce chair. lol

[Burgerman]

You probably cannot increase speed at all. Because its set by gearing. 24v is the limiting factor here. Acceleration you can increase, more importantly you will want to increase:
Turn acceleration to 100,
Min turn accel to 100,
Turn deceleration to 100,
Min turn deceleration to 100.

And maybe increase min/max turn rate too. And forward acceleration, reverse acc, and speed.

Depending on control system, this may or may not require a oem level programmer.

[gcebiker]

I'm needing to get this chair sped up, and I've read up on Quantum chairs. I've tried using a dealer programmer, but when I got to the setting(s), the +/- wouldn't allow the # to move. It is my guess it is locked?

Hi this happed to me on Tuesday as well, but it only locked in one screen.

When you open the program and read the settings, the screen with all the settings in the one place, that is where it locked it at 100% (to much for the user)

To change it i was able to go to the left to the '+' sign, and just open the one drive setting i was looking for '4' in this instance.
I was then able to change the settings i needed to.

As for wiring, i just have some think copper wire, tinned with solder to keep them tidy and just slide them into the pins, if it does not work, i reverse them and then it works. (i forget who asked about wiring it up)

The chair joystick also needs to be turned on for the computer program (1314 Programming station) to connect.

I use a Shark controller on my new chair that came with the QLogic so this picture is how i wired it up to test...opened the case, soldered a regular RC JST connector to it and put it back together, saves me remembering how to wire it later when i put the Qlogic back on the power base (when i get time to do the JC2000 testing/arduino Wii Nunchuck hack)

I think i should have posted these pics here , sorry mods, i got lost...




I think some of these boxes were greyed out (refer above) but i think its something to do with having been written/need to be re read from controller/refreshed/powercycled. I forget, was in a bit of a rush at the time, i tend to do cycling/reloading as an automatic thing as i repair pc's and they need it a lot...and it is a mini pc..

[gcebiker]

I also saw the instructions on how to build the programming interface, buy that usb and build a cable, but it's a little above my current capabilities.

All you need is
- 1314 Program (i used Golenms settings/dll file)
- USB - Can adapter (mine was $64 but there are cheaper)...i wonder if an Arduino FTDI usb would work...mmm must try that out, oh wifi programming, that would be cool...i am digressing.

Two bits of wire.
..maybe a USB extension lead would help

Soldering the ends of the copper wires lets them be bent slightly. Helping them stay in the holes and give good contact.

I can take more pictures if you like, just tell me what you need.

Cheers
Tony

[gcebiker]

Took a picture and added notes to bits.
Software and more instructions at the start of this thread http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2757

[gcebiker]

Mad for trying but i had it all in the shed ...