Vladimir Putin

[Vitolds]

What are you thoughts about President Putin?

[Burgerman]

Well he is bombing Muslims... Its impossible to separate them into "terrorists" or good/bad, or civilians, etc as its all basically the same crap and just different degrees of delusion and mental-ism... All the same but to different degrees. So who you bomb or how thoroughly or why is all a matter of opinion. You cant separate nice ones from the loony ones. And there's little difference. They all believe the same crap and some act on it, some don't (yet). The problem is that the west insist on trying to do just that. And see it as "sides". They somehow want to try to separate Muslims from terrorists as separate things through a crazy type of political correctness desease. They cannot bring themselves to admit a whole religion/culture is the problem.

Personally I would keep completely out of it, leave them to it. As long as they don't interfere with the west. And ban all Muslims from any western civilization completely as they are just not compatible with our values.

Other than that I think that he thinks hes some sort of king or god. And tries to portray himself as some fake macho man, to his many fans. Photos of him hunting on a horse with his shirt off etc. Which frankly looks a bit ridiculous to us here in the west.

[hobie1dog]

He completely understands how the system works

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww

[Burgerman]

Except that he has completely ignored the real problem. ISIS is just one (more) small group. Theres hundreds of them, all driven by their imaginary friend and a book of crazy.

They have been doing this for centuries. Long before isis. So like just the rest of the worlds leaders he hasn't seen that massive elephant yet. The one all these Muslims keep shouting about loudly, as the very reason they do what they do. Repeatedly. Every time they murder or mutilate, rape, chop limbs off, burn, drive trucks over or throw someone off a roof, stab, or blow up women and children.

Heres a few more:
Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

And these are just the large, current ones, there's hundreds of smaller groups.
And they all kill EACH OTHER, primarily because they are not taking the Koran seriously enough, or have a slightly different take on it... Or you are not a muslim. The only thing all of these have in common? Muslims. Their book has one important difference compared to other delusional religions. It claims to be the true word of their god, and it tells them to do everything we see untill the whole world is muslim. By lies pretending to be "nice", breeding 10 to a family, killing anyone that is not muslim by the most vile way possible, and all the rest.

[Sully]

I myself try not to think of Mr. Putin, at all. While I understand he wanys to reestablish the basics of the old USSR, and its so called glories. He has to realize just as our Conservatives here is the USA that the past is now History. "Today is the tomorrow we looked forward to yesterday".... a day that can never return. Past glories are the same. He needs to administer his Nation in a forward manner.
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I do not presume to know the idiosyncracies of the Russian Government or its Constitution. All governments are manipulated by the National leader to some extent some more and some less. I believe Mr. Putin can be a very effective leader and probably is, but he seems to be somewhat adventerous in his efforts and thus gets sidetracked. The Repatriotizing of Crimea after "HE" agreed to give that administration of that peninsula to another National entity as a gift, is and was a relalignment of National Borders, much as Hitler did to Austria, not really in his Nation's best interest but noone was saying it at that time. Mr. Putin isn't listening now even when he is so informed.

I tend to agree with John, Russia, and we the USA, do not belong in Syria, both nation's have been conned by their allies to become engaged there. The daesh if allowed free rein would become powerful by attrition if nothing else, and would spread their mischief and their hateful beliefs, into other nations, where they can find the freedom to make such mischief, and create their hate. I also agree with John that it is the absolute teachings of Islam that is the Cancer of this planet.

One would think that Mr. Putin would have an understanding of this particular Cancer after Chechnya and his problems with the Islamist terrorists there. But alas he has proved, he has learned nothing. What is also well proven however, neither have we.

Mr Putin has proven he does not suffer any opposition to his wants and wishes, well. I believe he is very stubbrn man, who will do things that are not in his Nation's best interets. But they do smoothe his Napoleonic tendencies.

You asked and I spoke my mind.

[Burgerman]

I also agree with John that it is the absolute teachings of Islam that is the Cancer of this planet.

Except I see all religious delusion as equally bad.

All of it is/was/continues to be seriously bad for humanity. Right now islam/muslims, are the biggest problem. But once their killing and suffering has been bombed to a stop, or slowed, if that ever happens. (Since they are spreading all over the planet.) Then there will be another one along in a minute with some new bullshit to start all over again.

We need education, logic, reason, and make brainwashing kids into their parents delusion made illegal with prison sentences enforced worldwide for 1 century. Solved!

[Vitolds]

Google translates poorly.
but I understood you.
90 years the Chechen Republic.
Putin said, "live in peace, or we destroy you."
Now in 2016, in the Chechen Republic and the world there is not any crazy Islamists.
I showed you a picture of Chechnya.
He restored order.
you have internet, look.

[Sully]

Yes Chenycha, has recovered and aparently the cancer has abated. But it is just abated not gone. I did mis-siate the religion thing. Religions are supposed to create a moral direction to human beings. Not imaginary friends or voices in the mind directing us to do as those voices say. That is well defined by psychotherapists as a mental disease.
I have often said I am more an Agnostic if not an Athiest. When it is over, its over, most people seem to need a crutch to kind of keep to the straight and narrow. I don't feel I require that crutch, and never did. I have visited near death, as was described to me by doctors. So has John, perhaps a lot closer than my experience. I have had so called friends ask me what that experience was like. That thing we call a mind was at rest, all was peaceful! Evidently my bodily functions continued.

If only this was all that easy, but humans have the ability to think and build walls inside this mind, these mental walls blind us humans to the direction we need to go so we can live our lives without unnecessary complications. So i do think that "some" folks who create an "Organized Religion" to teach some imaginary reward for living a moderate moralistic life, ie: no stealing, killing, and creating hurt, with the imaginary reward for living this moralistic life at death of some sort of good place for that mind (called a soul) to reside.

This mind of ours (humans) carries a "what was intended " to be a direction, to entirely something else. John while I quite agree with your athiestic philosophy. I see no good coming of trying to destroy a thought. I do not think there is a chance that a thought can ever be defeated. It can be suppressed by some sort of force just as Putin has accomplished in Chechnya, just as most cancers can be suppressed.

But a Thought is not physical. It has no substance to be suppressed. All we can fall back on that will someday tell humanity if Putin's way worked or some other not yet discovered solution, but I can all but guarantee you that suppression of all forms of religious thought and practice will be frustrating and impossible.

What I have come to realize is ISLAM is a real bad religious thoughtI do not see any redeeming features of this Thought. Mohammed the author of this thought (it is said), he brokered no opposition to his interpertation of what turns out to be HIS Religous thoughtsas it pretty much dictates every phase and action of a human beings life. What is the allure to this philosophy? Why did he see fit to use murder of anyone questioning his particular, and peculiar thoughts.

I myself have no desire to control any else's life, I have a hard enough time controlling or living my own life.

So Vitolds, the structural reconstruction of Checnya can be reduced to rubble in moments by people acting on a thought, the power of the Russian Govt. and Mr. Putin has temporarily suppressed.

Gen. Tito in the former Yugoslavia did much the same thing, and it worked for many, many years. However, at his death this whole nation turned to turmoil. The thought returned either the hate of that thought or radical Islam itself. "I" wasn't there at the time, so "I" cannot really understand all the idiosyncrasies of that collapse. What is known; is just that some very powerful people who harbored hate for their fellow citizens sought absolute power over them. Resulting in temporary anarchy.

[Vitolds]

no fear of in people in Chechnya.
you are wrong, why are you say that?
you were in Chechnya?

[Sully]

Yes Chenycha, has recovered and aparently the cancer has abated. But it is just abated not gone. I did mis-siate the religion thing. Religions are supposed to create a moral direction to human beings. Not imaginary friends or voices in the mind directing us to do as those voices say. That is well defined by psychotherapists as a mental disease.
I have often said I am more an Agnostic if not an Athiest. When it is over, its over, most people seem to need a crutch to kind of keep to the straight and narrow. I don't feel I require that crutch, and never did. I have visited near death, as was described to me by doctors. So has John, perhaps a lot closer than my experience. I have had so called friends ask me what that experience was like. That thing we call a mind was at rest, all was peaceful! Evidently my bodily functions continued.

If only this was all that easy, but humans have the ability to think and build walls inside this mind, these mental walls blind us humans to the direction we need to go so we can live our lives without unnecessary complications. So i do think that "some" folks who create an "Organized Religion" to teach some imaginary reward for living a moderate moralistic life, ie: no stealing, killing, and creating hurt, with the imaginary reward for living this moralistic life at death of some sort of good place for that mind (called a soul) to reside.

This mind of ours (humans) carries a "what was intended " to be a direction, to entirely something else. John while I quite agree with your athiestic philosophy. I see no good coming of trying to destroy a thought. I do not think there is a chance that a thought can ever be defeated. It can be suppressed by some sort of force just as Putin has accomplished in Chechnya, just as most cancers can be suppressed.

But a Thought is not physical. It has no substance to be suppressed. All we can fall back on that will someday tell humanity if Putin's way worked or some other not yet discovered solution, but I can all but guarantee you that suppression of all forms of religious thought and practice will be frustrating and impossible.

What I have come to realize is ISLAM is a real bad religious thought I do not see any redeeming features of this Thought. Mohammed the author of this thought (it is said), he brokered no opposition to his interpertation of what turns out to be HIS Religous thoughtsas it pretty much dictates every phase and action of a human beings life. What is the allure to this philosophy? Why did he see fit to use murder of anyone questioning his particular, and peculiar thoughts.

I myself have no desire to control any else's life, I have a hard enough time controlling or living my own life.

So Vitolds, the structural reconstruction of Checnya can be reduced to rubble in moments by people acting on a thought, the power of the Russian Govt. and Mr. Putin has temporarily suppressed.

Gen. Tito in the former Yugoslavia did much the same thing, and it worked for many, many years. However, at his death this whole nation turned to turmoil. The thought returned either the hate of that thought or radical Islam itself. "I" wasn't there at the time, so "I" cannot really understand all the idiosyncrasies of that collapse. What is known; is just that some very powerful people who harbored hate for their fellow citizens sought absolute power over them. Resulting in temporary anarchy as well as the loss of the individual power thy temporarily held.

I'm just babbling and passing on more of my confusing thoughts. So Vitolds your leader Mr. Putin is; I guess a strong and good enough leader of the Russian Republic, but he must hold in check his ambitions of National expansion, or the reconstitution of the power of the old USSR. I believe that could be costly for the Russian people, and perhaps the planet. I believe that a Russian REpublic that behaves in a civil manner not because the are suppressed to be this way, but because they want to. I believe a Russia like that can become a very open society, and happy to joint the realistic struggle of every day life on this planet. Is Mr. Putin the man to do this? I don't know.

A nation is not one person, that one person is the face of a nation but hardly the whole Nation. As a human being he will not live forever, what will become of your Nation, when the powers he has amasssed into himself.(his position) dissolve when he passes, (no human lives forever) or he is replaced (which is very unlikely). Will this create a power gap? Will the supressed Cancer return? Will the old school power brokers in Russia eventually pass? Will some of the hard line philosophy pass with them? Only time can tell us that.

[Burgerman]

Will the supressed Cancer return?

It always does.

Religions are supposed to create a moral direction to human beings.

Morality in the bible?
You obviously have never read it either! Like most xstians.

Heres a quick summary for you. http://www.evilbible.com/ take a while, grab your bible follow along. Or just read the first page. Its just as disgusting as the Koran.

Heres how it NOW works:
Religious leaders, preachers etc ignore the bits that that their real in built HUMAN and SOCIETAL morality doesn't like, and now ignore it / never mention it. If it is pointed out by some sane person, they (special "religious scholar") squirm, tap dance and invent ever more contradictory ways of explaining it away or try to turn it into a new story that means something completely different...

If you point this out, they (special "religious scholar") then tell you you need to be a special "religious scholar" to be able to read the bible, even when it says this stuff quite clearly in gory detail. And this training trains you to say it means the exact opposite to whats written... Or that all the evil stuff and there's lots, is a "parable" or some such garbage. This special training was called the reformation, and it happened when they finally released that you cant go around killing everyone as sane people and modern societies don't like it..

[Sully]

The Author of the bible is "SUPPOSED" to be "GOD" well we all know that is falsehood unless we are total fools.

So let's forget the Bible as a guide entirely, it is more like a babbling history written by half drunk Monks in their Manastaries, from half or perhaps more forgotten verbal histerical, yes Hysterical, memories long past. Then there are the things called "VERSIONS" Explain how a TRUE Story can have "VERSIONS" that's actually laughable.

NO, the point I obviously failed to make is; religion's were intended to moderate human behavior which is based on morals, and ethical behavior when dealing with other humans, not morality per se'.

I believe that there are more morally correct ethics written into most Science Fiction novels, than any "VERSION" of the almost purely ficticious Bible.

[Burgerman]

Well there I agree.

A person can be good or evil without religion.
But it takes religion to make a good person do evil.

Look at the middle east... So it must be educated out of existence, or legislated out of existence, or bombed out of existence. One way or another, sooner or later. The longer the sane people wait on the sidelines the more deaths, suffering, and delusions are repeated with each new generation.

[Sully]

You have chosen three possible solutions for eliminating all "religions" off the earth well I don't beieve that two of them have a ghost of a chance to work Bombing and legislating have 0, NO chance at all, and educating is slim to none as a chance. Religion is superstition. As long as people can think independently they will create superstitions in their minds. However, I do believe that serious thinking people can show one idiotic set of superstitious beliefs as bogus, and that is Islam. There are distinct soft spots in their "Book" Concentrate on some things like enforced membership, no criticism, incredibly cruel practices.

I really do agree with this: quote;"A person can be good or evil without religion.
But it takes religion to make a good person do evil".
I kind of wish I had thought of that!
I think that if Islam could be used to defeat itself as a religious belief, there would be a reasonable thought this would be universally successful to be used for the rest of the religious beliefs. Just remember we/you are trying to defeat a thought. As long as a single thought about some imaginary being, that belief is not defeated.

[Burgerman]

Bombing and legislating have 0, NO chance at all, and educating is slim to none as a chance. Religion is superstition. As long as people can think independently they will create superstitions in their minds. However, I do believe that serious thinking people can show one idiotic set of superstitious beliefs as bogus, and that is Islam. There are distinct soft spots in their "Book" Concentrate on some things like enforced membership, no criticism, incredibly cruel practices.

I agree. You need ALL of them together. That will work. Free thought as you put it would have great trouble creating any serious religion in a vacuum of the sort of irrational non logical minds required to create believers. And in many civilized parts of the world, religion is already dead all bar the shouting. It goes along with education, and logic and reason. Its continued by brainwashing children. If you stop that its gone.

[Sully]

Quote: "Free thought as you put it would have great trouble creating any serious religion in a vacuum of the sort of irrational non logical minds required to create believers".
If that were true religions would never have taken root. Human's minds have a need to explain to themselve those things they don't understand. That's true that today, there is far less that, and is not reasonably explained perhaps that is why religions are dieing. EDUCATION is the secret weapon. However, there can be No idly made rumored discoveries until 100% repeatability or provable scientific proof is available.

IT only takes one misstatement, to destroy all the educational progress that can be achieved involving superstition and scientific proof. Humans are quite odd lot of critters We seem to assign and place superstition in place of sound facts when possible, rather than study the facts and come up with sensible conclusions. (That's humanity in general, not individuals.)

Some of my hypothesis is because the peoples of the midddle east Syrians, Arabs,etc. are NOT a stupid people; advanced mathematics the sciences began with them, yet so many fell, as if in a spell, for that evil book of Mohammed, the Quaran, as being undisputable, or debate-able. And in fact enforced its murderous preachings. Of course I am being a tad lazy not explaining all my other possible reasoning for the viciousness of their dislike (hate) for the Westerner's way of life in this discussion.

[Burgerman]

"Free thought as you put it would have great trouble creating any serious religion in a vacuum of the sort of irrational non logical minds required to create believers".
If that were true religions would never have taken root. Human's minds have a need to explain to themselve those things they don't understand. That's true that today, there is far less that, and is not reasonably explained perhaps that is why religions are dieing. EDUCATION is the secret weapon. However, there can be No idly made rumored discoveries until 100% repeatability or provable scientific proof is available.

In many cases the scientific answers exist. The religious simply will not look at it, or have not looked at it. In the cases where they do theres a battle. Damaged brain and illogic, or reason and evidence. And they run away to preserve their conditioning through fear. This is the god of the gaps. The ever dissapearing gaps. Any place that the believer sees a gap, they stick a god in there. So 2 things:

1. They do this only because of brain distortion, a perverse view of reality as inflicted to a child usually, to a plastic brain, that messes up their entire rational thinking process. It makes them know there's a god... Actual physical pathways in the brain, altered for life. In spite of zero evidence and that it goes against all common sense. This is simple child abuse and as I said should be illegal and people should be locked up or have their children removed for such abuse. Thats part of my plan. As it should be in every sane governments plan. This is essential.

2. Sticking a god in every part of the world that science has not yet explained, is ILLOGICAL since there's zero evidence in support of any gods. Never was, and until some is found then to do this is simply illogical. Why a god? How do we know the rock at the bottom of my garden didn't do it? Or my invisible pink unicorn? Or some other magic. All equally likely! Lets say evolution was never understood, and all life was all a big mystery. That does not form any evidence for a god! But religious nuts all seem to fight evolution as some way to do just that! It just removes evidence for evolution. So what. It does not help their own claims one bit! This is why I insist that LOGIC lessons are essential in schools by law. People need to learn HOW to think. That then rules out jumping to crazy conclusions based on the previous brain washing/damage from 1. above.

So now, no religion. No woo woo of any type. Logical thinking, scientific education just rules it out, and no brain washing. So no god to try and fit the world around in ever more difficult complex ways. Its all over. Because the following generation will not inflict this damage on their own children since they dont believe the fairy story. Thats already happening via the web, etc and even the US has more athiest/sane people and its growing faster than any other group.

[Burgerman]

IT only takes one misstatement, to destroy all the educational progress that can be achieved involving superstition and scientific proof. Humans are quite odd lot of critters We seem to assign and place superstition in place of sound facts when possible, rather than study the facts and come up with sensible conclusions. (That's humanity in general, not individuals.)

Hence 1 and 2 above... That will stop this completely. It lets you see clearly rather than with god distorted spectacles. And to think clearly and logically.

[Burgerman]

Some of my hypothesis is because the peoples of the midddle east Syrians, Arabs,etc. are NOT a stupid people; advanced mathematics the sciences began with them, yet so many fell, as if in a spell, for that evil book of Mohammed, the Quaran, as being undisputable, or debate-able. And in fact enforced its murderous preachings. Of course I am being a tad lazy not explaining all my other possible reasoning for the viciousness of their dislike (hate) for the Westerner's way of life in this discussion.

See 1 above...

Religion is DESIGNED to do this to make sure that it overruns all other competing beliefs. It instills/ conditions, a young and plastic easily molded brain that trusts its parents, and it is then damaged for life. Whats more religions kind of evolve to do this violent stuff quite naturally. The religions that do not want to take over, get bigger, spread, soon die out or are eaten up and you don't hear about them as they stay small or are wiped out. The ones that are violent and kill anyone leaving, have horrendous punishments for anyone ignoring what they say, or are not "their" group always win out over the more sane ones.

We are seeing this now with the loonies in the middle east, the newest and most violent brain washing desease there is right now. The most violent parts of the Muslim religious areas such as isis, Islamic Jihad, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Abu Sayyaf, Al-Badr, Muslim Brotherhood, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Palestine Liberation Front, Ansaru, Jemaah Islamiyah, Abdullah Azzam Brigades are murdering/converting the more moderate ones through death, fear, control. Thats evolution of religion. Guess which is spreading? Mild or violent? And when they have done this, they will start on each other.

Until you stop the systematic brain washing of children who grow into this religion, and subsequently do it to their offspring, you then have no choice but to try and control it by bombing the most violent ones out of existence as Putin is doing to isis right now in syria. Or leave them to it. While the west is all for saving the children and civilians (how you define this in a muslim population is well beyond me) to do it all again when they grow up. Is it right? I don't know that there is a right way to kill this desease. Other than my way. See 1 and 2.

[Sully]

You have taken my thoughts completely out of context. What I am speaking os is the simple fact almost as soon as a human being walked the face of this earth, and had thoughts, they gave credit to some some of being that was more than themselves. Even if it was a cat or snake, or some sort of thing. They looked to the sky, with an orb that provided heat made "stuff grow". They justifyably gave it credit to it providing the necessities they needed to exist. No knowlege of science existed.

The Native Americans of the USA called it the great Spirit!. Today we know a bit more about the sciences. But with NO prompting from anyone those early peoples created a being in their minds that supersceded themselves. It is that primitive thinking that you nor "I" can totally defeat, that thinking will continuously reoccur without prompting in some insecure individuals. Then such like thinking individuals, will gather a circle of individuals together into groups, or tribes just as they do today and in all of human history. Humans are herd critters, there are always some who do not fit in that herd mold aethiests and agnostics. It is the individual who travels through life the fastest, they think the fastest, hence the saying" the fastest horse travels alone". So whether you or I believe something to be true we are sort of alone, there are others who have similar sympathies with such thinking, but they will choose to be a part of the herd, sure I think that is a fault, but they rely on the herd for their safety, security, education and organization ETC.

You, yourself do much the same, you go to the PUB. Why??? Not simply to drink a beer or more but to be a part of that herd, who like, and do like things.

I think current ORGANIZED RELIGIONS have out lasted their original concepts, science rather proves that. Maybe pure Science or logic will become the Next big religious belief ?? Then someone comes along to attempt to pervert the scientific (facts?) on and on it goes, pure logic will fail, why because pure logic is too simple Some individual will split it all off and complicate something simple, and on that egostistical thread they and/or their cohorts will make themselves big people in front of a bunch of gullible people. On and on it goes.

Religion by whatever name you wissh to call it can never be a thought that can be destroyed.

[Burgerman]

The Native Americans of the USA called it the great Spirit!. Today we know a bit more about the sciences. But with NO prompting from anyone those early peoples created a being in their minds that supersceded themselves. It is that primitive thinking that you nor "I" can totally defeat, that thinking will continuously reoccur without prompting in some insecure individuals. Then such like thinking individuals, will gather a circle of individuals together into groups, or tribes just as they do today and in all of human history. Humans are herd critters, there are always some who do not fit in that herd mold aethiests and agnostics.

In the UK there is no heard thing. Less than 4% regularly attend a church. Those are mostly coffin dodgers and immigrants. There are less and less every generation. I don't think I know ANY religous people at all, that are English and under 70. Its pretty much over here. The fact that we are not brainwashed when young, (as in the US), means we never really think that way. The adults don't let youngsters think about "great spirits" or other woo, and instead explain why that's a dead end. Theres no mystery to fill, the gaps are now tiny, and no brainwashing is done to us to fill it. School, physics, logic, etc means we wouldn't be able to think that way anyway. Because it contradicts the known, testable, logical reality. If it doesn't show up with the scientific method then its wrong.

They do that in the US, or in your paragraph above, in ignorance of how to think, to use logic. And because its "taught" by parents even if subconsciously. And its room to grow due to not under standing the real mechanism behind everything. Once that is known, it rules out magic. If that is taught from an early age it leaves no room for any woo woo or magical thinking. My world view is now this way because anything else simply isn't logical. And that isn't just a mildly convinced opinion, its been ruled out absolutely and completely 100% because my logic wont allow me to have a contradiction or un-testable belief in my head. The fact that I was brought up this way, and my parents were not religious, and didn't damage my brain makes it impossible to see spirits, gods, magic, or any kind of woo at all. Other than as craziness. The whole world could be this way too.

[Burgerman]

The Wests politically correct blindness summed up.

[Vitolds]

I asked about Putin.
and you began to debate about a Muslims.

[Burgerman]

Because right now that's what he is doing. On the news every day, bombing Muslims!
And our politically correct governments are trying to stop him... So that's why!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37683244

And then...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... orld-War-3
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -war-crazy

[Vitolds]

you believe this crap?

[Vitolds]

you are scared Muslims.
it is not you afraid?
This truth you do not know?

[Burgerman]

Don't understand?

We are not scared of them, we just don't want them here. And our stupid politicians are inviting them in by the millions.

[Vitolds]

they are already next to you.
you do not know?

[Burgerman]

There are approx 60 in my town of 80,000... So I would have a lot of trouble finding one.

[Sully]

BM I believe Vitolds is speaking of the NAZI's Yes here again is a thought we imagined, was dad, but it rears that ugly head again. Take a long slow look, there is very littlr difference between these philosophies. just an authoritarian hierarchicarchy.

Why can't we just concentrate or ridding the earth of such actors and philosophies? I was of he belief that Alexander Putin was going to join in a joint action to that end. But he supported the existing Regime which all the other nations were in agreement they were trying to boot out. It's obvious there is no way to wipe the slate completely clean.

The arguement on Religions and the Muslim one in particular is as John suggesrs is the elephant in the room.

Last time the Nazi's were the point of focus, the USA DID assist the old USSR (Russia) to be rid of them. Now it "appears" that the same degree of cooperation cannot be achieved.

From at least one recorded, open mike, conversation from before the last pres. election that Pres. Obama was trying to make a personal plea for cooperation. It also appeared Putin turned him down flat without an attempt at any further conversation.

That is my opinion in as short a vesion as I can give this very complicated topic.