Vladimir Putin

[Burgerman]

I don't think it is complicated. Religion is almost all of the problem. Get rid of that, all of it, problem goes away.

Of course the nazis and every extreme right party are on the rise. Every one of the people can SEE the problem. The politically correct politicians don't see it. Or don't want to see it and keep on pushing open borders, socialist liberal ideals. Soon the rise of the right across the EU will fix that!

[Sully]

Did the Bush and Republican Regime bring GB anything better? What we in the USA seem to focus on is Pres, Ronald Reagan and the strength of Maggie Thacher together focusing on the better stuff and not so much of the bad, Perhaps I made a bad comparison.

[Burgerman]

No.

[Sully]

My last post in this thread posted to the wrong subject. I never saw tthat happen before!

[Lord Chatterley]

What are you thoughts about President Putin?

I think he is a crook and an authoritarian and will cling to power as long as he can by any means possible. This is not necessarily a bad thing because Russia is still too backward and primitive to sustain the type of culture necessary to uphold the values and norms of a modern Western-style democracy.

As for his record in Chechnya and Syria - he is certainly better than anything the West has to offer.

It is not our fault the war started in Syria - that was caused by Bashir Assad's father- but it is our fault that we have enabled religious fanatics to gain ground in Syria and practically everywhere we have intervened. So, as far as Syria is concerned, cheers to Putin and shame on us.

LC

[Sully]

This pretty much says it I hope y'all can read it;

[Burgerman]

I quite agree. However sane people are not voted for in the US so what now?

[Vitolds]

I think he is a crook and an authoritarian and will cling to power as long as he can by any means possible

is no truth in these words.

[Vitolds]

in Russia for free
- Education (school, college, higher education degree)
- Kindergarten
- HEALTH CARE (dentistry, prosthetics, wheelchairs, etc.)
This is an example.

[Burgerman]

Its not though is it. Somebody pays. And its you!

[Burgerman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... ment_Index

[Lord Chatterley]

Wasn't Putin's first act, as president, a federal law guaranteeing immunity from corruption charges for the outgoing President and his relatives?

Not exactly a move to inspire confidence in the rule of law though perhaps a pragmatic alternative to chaos.

Nevertheless, Russia remains among the most unfree nations on Earth and I cannot see that changing much while he remains Prime Minister.

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/russia

LC

[Lord Chatterley]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

You've posted the wrong link - the IHDI is complete nonsense based on the idea that Pol Pot was a genius.

LC

[Vitolds]

30% of the truth
in Russia it is changing very quickly.
very strong support to private business (financially).
a big country, it is difficult to quickly restore everything.

[Burgerman]

Not sure what you mean by restore. It was always a long way behind in a great many things. If you mean catch up then maybe in 20 or 30 years. Communism and socialism never works. It cost you a lot.

[Sully]

Quotes; in Russia for free
- Education (school, college, higher education degree)
- Kindergarten
- HEALTH CARE (dentistry, prosthetics, wheelchairs, etc.)
This is an example
BM Reply;
Its not though is it. Somebody pays. And its you!
Unfortunately, too few people do not understand exactly what;”free” means. Free is not monetarily free, it is your personal freedom to pretty much do (not criminal) and think as you wish. Freedom to associate with whom you wish or not, it is likely that to you or me that may not mean much, but to many people who are successful or have the mentality or ability to be successful, governmental bureaucratic suppression, can destroy otherwise successful people. By creating a definition of criminal behaviour, that we feel is extreme.

But I do agree with John even the concept of free personal development or maintenance is financially paid for by “someone”. That someone is “YOU and “Me” Now in many cases I do not mind/care if “I” contribute with tax money for some of these things.

Whether or not we like this, we are all, a part of a bee hive or an ant-hill; everyone needs to contribute to the success of the general community (or ant-hill). The problem arises when we try to determine what we define as worthy of our support. Almost everyone has a different opinion of that definition.

The manipulation of how the populace thinks of this support, or freedom, is what Authoritarians and the Oligarchs do! No two of these people operate the exact same, yet their goals are pretty much the same. I believe Putin is both an Oligarch and an Authoritarian. I also believe that “The” Donald Trump if he gets the chance will try to be quite the same; he is of that same mould. It will be quite a test of the US Constitution if he wins the Presidency to keep his ambitions in check.

Beware of certain people who accuse other persons of false morals, failures, or actions, they are very likely trying to accomplish what they are accusing others of.

Operating a Nation is not similar to operating a business, which the C.O.O. has only his board of directors (a limited number of investors) to answer to. A National leader has his whole populace to be concerned about as well as his Nation’s standing and relation’s among the rest of the world’s Nations. We do know no one person can satisfy everyone all the time, it is a numbers game on how many that National leader can suit.

I do not believe Putin is on the good side of those numbers. While I do believe Vladimir Putin is a feel good leader for Russia, in the very long run; he will not be the best overall leader for his Nation. I see these similarities for Our MR. Trump as well.

I feel no ill will toward the Russian people. The American people have no physical or political designs on your Nation; we have enough problems of our own. I have read some Russian literature (not a lot) but what I did read was dark, with not a lot of hope or brightness even at the conclusion. Perhaps it was just the Author’s perspective. That makes me wonder about the Russian people’s dreams for their own future? Are they bright???? I did see a bright future between our Nations several years back, “The Space Station” for instance. Is that international relationship to be wrecked, because of one or two men’s personal ambition(s)? “I” hope not.

[Lord Chatterley]

A Month in The Country by Turgenev is an absolute gem.

LC

[Lord Chatterley]

Trump is the only candidate who doesn't hate America - he wants to put America first, as he should.

Globalists hate him for that - the same way they hate Putin.

LC

[Lord Chatterley]

New video from Trump's campaign is spot on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKGjczYz1bg&feature=youtu.be

LC

[popschief]

Yes, spot on. What's not to like about his message?

bp

[Sully]

Perhaps not his message, though I believe he speaks with a forked tongue. BUT, "HIM" I could never stomach him, his TV show, His ethics, or anything else about him.

[popschief]

Let's consider morals shall we.

A wild eyed (and quite ugly) woman walked into a crowded bar in downtown Washington, District of Columbia, waiving an un-holstered pistol and yelled out, “I have a .45 caliber Colt 1911, with a seven round magazine, plus one in the chamber. I want to know who's been sleeping with my husband?”

A female voice from the back of the room called out, “You need more ammo Hillary!”


bp

[HiltonP]

I believe, rightly or wrongly, that by this time next year Putin will be the most powerful leader in the world.

Obama is history.
Trump/Clinton are both compromised (her more than him).
Merkel will be gone in next year's elections.
Hollande looks like he will be gone next year as well.
May will be too busy with Brexit to play a role on the world stage.
Jinping will be too busy trying to hold China's economy together.
No one else really matters.

That leaves Putin..... intelligent, strong, ruthless, focused, powerful.

[Burgerman]

And half naked on horseback! Makes it rather hard to take him seriously.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=putin ... 79&dpr=2.5

[Vitolds]

better on a horse in pants
than without pants

[Sully]

THAT WAS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY, The young man pictured is very unlikely to ever hold a real Royal position, in GB and never one in the USA. A youthful indiscretion compared to a man suffering from a midlife crises.

[Burgerman]

Quite!
Plus all the royals are a waste of time, have no power, just ornaments for tourists! And are inbred Germans... They dont actually govern the country. Its just some fairy-tale traditional bullshit.

[Sully]

Unfortunately, the "Royal's" weren't always without power. I often wonder if GB had a more powerful Parliamentary system and far less Monarchical power, early in the 18th Century, what might have been the destiny of the USA? Would that have made a difference in all that eventually happened ? Nation wise we are an entirely different Nation of course, but 3rd cousins (kissing cousins ) of a sort, Canada and Australia, etc.etc. being a sort of first cousin.

[Lord Chatterley]

better on a horse in pants
than without pants

You seem to think this is somehow embarrassing for Brits - it ain't 1/ because we don't particularly care about the Royals - I am for a republic [but not yet] 2/ because he is a young guy horsing around - as young guys should, and 3/ because unlike Putin he has actually served 2 tours in the air and on the ground on the front-line in the most dangerous province in Afghanistan.

LC

[Sully]

LC, I guess I cannot argue with you. But I am quite happy to keep my clothes on at this point in my life. Not TOO attractive any longer