Muslims and why Trump is right

[Burgerman]

Thats because as my ex Muslim optical eye test guy says, because of 2 things.

1. They cant stand anyone that isn't a true Muslim. And they want you dead. That includes all moderate Muslims as they do not believe or follow fully.
2. They are bitter because they cannot understand why their "superior" Muslim way of living, obviously doesn't work in any true Muslim country.

Hence all the poverty and suffering and wars and terrorism in every muslim country. And why they want to come to the civilized non Muslim countries. And then try and turn them into the ones they fled from...



Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

However:
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM


Which leads to this:
They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
Or any place there are other Muslims that don’t accept the Korans violent instructions. This is why they have been violently mass murdering each other for 14 centuries.

So, where are they happy?
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in every country that is not Islamic!

Who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves... THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And then they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy.

[Gnomatic]

Don't know if this has been posted on here or not. A little over a week ago an ex Marine security contractor working in Baghdad posted this video on Facebook, giving his thoughts on Trump's travel restrictions. It instantly went viral getting tens of millions of views. Here's a youtube link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv1tcVv4ZM8&t=2s

[Burgerman]

Well that is much the same with ALL seriously Muslim countries. And they kill each other in their OWN countries too if they don't believe strongly
"enough" to kill the others like themselves... In other words moderate Muslims are also seen the same way xstians, and atheists are. To be killed, beheaded, ripped apart by vehicles limb from limb, or thrown head first from high roofs. They tell us very clearly that real Muslims want to spread Islam across the world this way. They do it too when given a chance all through 12 centuries of history. But we have forgotten it. They have not. They make endless videos explaining exactly what they want! And have murdered millions, and the liberal west STILL insist they are nice cuddly friendly people and we are all equal! How ignorant do you need to be not to see this.

The dutch and the french are going to get their right wing anti Muslim leaders in 1st place in the next few months. The people have noticed. The liberal elites that run the media and governments are all still in denial. How could they be wrong - liberal multicultural values are "correct" and everything else is wrong, right??

[hobie1dog]

Funny parody on Muslims, with a great laugh, many videos have been made using this clip, he is actually talking about working in a restaurant.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzwVn0cUBM

[Burgerman]

How is it possible for 90 percent of the planet to believe this garbage in one form or another? I am embarrassed for them. Future historians will look back in utter bewilderment and think we were ignorant savages. Quite correctly.

[hobie1dog]

How is it possible for 90 percent of the planet to believe this garbage in one form or another? I am embarrassed for them. Future historians will look back in utter bewilderment and think we were ignorant savages. Quite correctly.

Very simple answer. Everyone has been brought up to believe whatever their parents and educators tell them, including all the Sheeple who blindly and mindlessly believe in ridiculous and repulsive religious beliefs. We are now slightly ahead of our previous primitive societies due to technology and science showing that the world is not flat nor the center of the Universe. But we still have never ending wars, disease, destruction, crime, filth, poverty, corruption, etc. There are solutions, but the people in charge won't allow those things.

[Burgerman]

Solution...

IQ test the planet. Shoot the bottom 50%. That has wiped out most of the trouble, poverty, crime and burdens on society in one go.
Ask everyone on the planet if they believe in any kind of woo, supernatural, gods, etc. Yes? Bang...
Violent criminals? Bang.
Repeat every 10 years, then 20 years, then 40 years. 80 years. To get the stragglers.

Since you just shot the lower 50% IQ, 4 times, you now have about 1 billion people on the planet down from 7, which are the brightest, non religous and most productive and least violent humans. So no more wars, high productivity, the planet can easily provide everything, and no more religion or other woo woo, or borders required. The world would be drastically improved and relaxed.

You think trump is unpopular. This may make me a bit worse!

[hobie1dog]

Solution...

IQ test the planet. Shoot the bottom 50%. That has wiped out most of the trouble, poverty, crime and burdens on society in one go.
Ask everyone on the planet if they believe in any kind of woo, supernatural, gods, etc. Yes? Bang...
Violent criminals? Bang.
Repeat every 10 years, then 20 years, then 40 years. 80 years. To get the stragglers.

Since you just shot the lower 50% IQ, 4 times, you now have about 1 billion people on the planet down from 7, which are the brightest, non religous and most productive and least violent humans. So no more wars, high productivity, the planet can easily provide everything, and no more religion or other woo woo, or borders required. The world would be drastically improved and relaxed.

You think trump is unpopular. This may make me a bit worse!

But, it would work

[Sully]

Zeig Heil ! REALLY
WE would be at the top of any list!!! The crips of the world ! Try again.

[Burgerman]

Maybe not. Thats not the point...

[Burgerman]

Trumps policies to me, don't add up!

1. Add trade tariffs and quotas to all imports esp the Chinese. Look around you. Everything you buy is either japanese, chinese, or european. or eg all the VW/BMW/Toyotas/Hondas etc. Cameras, phones, laptops, etc are all either made in, or use sub assemblies from china. Along with all your tools, and most of the things you buy. So that means everything from your fancy new LED light bulbs to the kitchen appliances you use, will be in short supply and much more expensive making everyone poorer. And inflation grow. Even US companies cant buy components or tooling or stuff like lithium batteries in your car/laptop/tool cheaply any more...

2. He is going to spend trillions on infrastructure like roads, airports, railways, bridges, libraries, civic buildings, and a wall, that the US doesn't have. You are already in massive debt that costs a large fortune to service. Where is the money for this going to come from? Esp when interests rise? Exports? Unlikely as you are adding trade tariffs to imports, so other countries will do the same. http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/ This is a recipe for disaster in the same way as the daft blond running up her credit card till she cant pay it back anymore...

3. He is reducing your crazy 30% corporation tax to 10%. That good. It will bring companies and inward investment back to the US. But those things happen over time. Slowly. Certainly they will want to see if this is true, and if its a long term thing before making huge expensive changes/mistakes. Much longer than trumps 4 or 8 years for any big changes to start to pay money back. So while this may help long term it wont show up as $ for many years to come. Meanwhile you have less tax coming in for a decade...

4. He is going to fix the 'rust belt'. And similar. How? And give many workers better pay? How? Temporarily, on infrastructure jobs? Until the money runs out? And when inflation runs away, banks collapse, the US debt becomes too expensive to pay back, and theres mass unemployment, what happens then?

[Lord Chatterley]

Solution...

IQ test the planet. Shoot the bottom 50%. That has wiped out most of the trouble, poverty, crime and burdens on society in one go.
Ask everyone on the planet if they believe in any kind of woo, supernatural, gods, etc. Yes? Bang...
Violent criminals? Bang.
Repeat every 10 years, then 20 years, then 40 years. 80 years. To get the stragglers.

Since you just shot the lower 50% IQ, 4 times, you now have about 1 billion people on the planet down from 7, which are the brightest, non religous and most productive and least violent humans. So no more wars, high productivity, the planet can easily provide everything, and no more religion or other woo woo, or borders required. The world would be drastically improved and relaxed.

You think trump is unpopular. This may make me a bit worse!

You're all heart!

LC

[Sully]

According to Pres. Trumps propaganda many countries do tax our exports to their country, while the US does not tax their imports into the USA. If this is true (I have no reason to believe it is not) how can the USA be more on an unlevel International business playing field? I can agree with The President, but our import tax should be flexible according to the nation we export to and the USA should tax the imports (including partial constructed components) back into our nation at the same rate as those Nations who tax the US exports being imported to their country. I have tried to find fault with such a policy And I really don't see one. I am quite sure I will not personally see any benefit to such a policy, perhaps just the opposite, but it does seem to be a more fair trade policy.

Just as I also believe that we (the USA) should use the same laws and punishment they would use to sentence a National of an undocumented/illegal immigrants, as those undocumented or illegal immigrants that are caught illegally entering their nation. Turnabout is fair play! If a new Immigration policy is legislated those are some of the things I would like to see in it!

[Burgerman]

Does that include pulling the limbs off Christians, gays, especially Jews with cars. Or throwing them head first from roofs with hands tied behind their backs? Or beheading them, regardless of age? Or systematic torture/rape and ownership of women? Because that's what you would need to do for like for like with some Muslim countries. Remembering that the goverments are muslim.

[Sully]

It directly applies to what their written law says. Nothing more and the end result would be nothing less.

[Burgerman]

But we, wouldn't do those evil things to them, regardless of any laws. Because we are not as culturally and religiously violent or as motivated to do it, we couldn't accept it. We get riots from the liberals or the snowflake generation at the THOUGHT of some border control, or that a Muslim isn't a nice peaceful equally civilized person. Even though its obvious to anyone that cars to look, or ASK them!

[Sully]

Can you show ME where these brutal punishments are described in a National law. OR is it some sick Mullah's interpretation of Sharia law? I have "heard" that Mexico can execute illegal entrants to their Nation. BUT, is that correct? I know they imprison folks in Iran who violate their borders, that has been an issue in the not too distant past.

What I am saying is I think dismembering people by pulling them apart with two vehicles is not written into law of any nation. Britain used to dismember people when applying the hang draw and quarter sentence in medieval times, quite a savage way to die, especially since the executioners did not wait for the victim to die from any single phase of this sentence. Beheading was a far kinder sentence.

[Burgerman]

But we don't do that today.

By way of example:

Death penalty as of 2016
In 2016, the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association (ILGA) released its most recent report. The report found that thirteen countries impose the death penalty for “Same-sex sexual acts.” These countries comprise 6% of the countries in the United Nations. Of these thirteen countries, four are in Africa: Sudan, Nigeria, Somalia, and Mauritania. Nine are in Asia: Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Qatar, UAE, Iraq, and Daesh (ISIS/ISIL) territories. This report omits that Brunei also punishes homosexuals with death and Brunei tolerates anti-gay vigilante attacks. Including the sort of thing you say are not written into law.

And many Muslim country governments do use sharia religous law and its violent interpretation. Complete with chopping off limbs for suspected theft, and all the usual sharia horrors. http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html

[Sully]

When ANY nation enforces a religious law that is not contained within their own legal code those laws are enforced without any legal authority. Hence they are lawless nations for all intents and purposes.

The purpose of a constitution is to first regulate the operation of the government writing the allowance of powers under their agreed upon coded laws and second set the guaranteed freedoms/restrictions of governmental powers over the general population. Every nation has had its battles with zealots of various religions, every one of them had their difficult periods. I doubt this will ever change, Islam is really a relatively new religion. They will corrupt themselves out of existence eventually as it absorbs more and more power over its believers. I believe we can see the origins of that collapse now. This has actually been happening almost since its inception, centuries ago.

A constant struggle, even the zealot atheists corrupt their own beliefs when the practice of atheism becomes greater than the science or realities of atheism. It becomes the people who design and enforce the order of things come of the belief they are the enforcers or prosecutors of those who are not strong enough in their belief or non-beliefs. We are human and as such will never develop a perfect living atmosphere, some individuals always have a better idea of how "the other guy" should be made to live. These psycho's just use an imaginary super being as their guide.

[Burgerman]

Many Muslim countries are ruled by their religious "law". Its all they have.

Islam is really a relatively new religion.

Been following their book, and trying to take over everywhere, and murdering and torturing even their own, for 12 centuries.

even the zealot atheists corrupt their own beliefs when the practice of atheism becomes greater than the science or realities of atheism.

An atheist by definition has no belief. And no practices. Science stands alone and is evidence based. The lack of any belief in the supernatural hasn't got anything to do with science. The two things are only related in that they both require evidence to support any idea or theory. Its just sanity and logic.

[Sully]

Quote; "An atheist by definition has no belief. And no practices. Science stands alone and is evidence based. The lack of any belief in the supernatural hasn't got anything to do with science. The two things are only related in that they both require evidence to support any idea or theory. Its just sanity and logic".

I don't buy that in its entirety. Science starts at some point in a faith inn the correctness of a theory. Then the theory becomes perfected through experience and repeatability of that theory, then it becomes science. Individuals can become so enthralled with the theory they lose the science of it.

I don't for one minute believe there are any supernatural truths, they are just failed religious theories. However, we are saying pretty much the same things just using different words.
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Now the real question is; Is Islam really a religion or a cult? This is one guys theory on how that question might be answered.

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here’s how it works.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrases are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrases. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.
(Latest population percentages as of 2008)

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat screw Islam
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This is interesting, and I can see why you might be concerned at this point in Britain. AND why we in America should at least be concerned. I pretty much see this as a scientific kind of work where the theory of the spread of Islam has been perfected and is now a scientifically proven plan.

If the Western world can show where this so called religion is really a social revolution (which I believe this proves) like Communism or Fascism, then there way be a chance to create legislation forbidding its spread, or at least retard it. What most of the nations of the world are doing now is simply accelerating its growth.

[Burgerman]

ALL true, except...

Quote; "An atheist by definition has no belief. And no practices. Science stands alone and is evidence based. The lack of any belief in the supernatural hasn't got anything to do with science. The two things are only related in that they both require evidence to support any idea or theory. Its just sanity and logic".

I don't buy that in its entirety. Science starts at some point in a faith inn the correctness of a theory. Then the theory becomes perfected through experience and repeatability of that theory, then it becomes science. Individuals can become so enthralled with the theory they lose the science of it.

The very word Atheist is a single meaning on a single subject. It just means someone that is not a theist. Thats it. No belief.
As an INDIVIDUAL he may have opinions on all kinds of stuff but that is not what atheist is/means. So an atheist has no belief. Atheists believe, in the same way that abstinence is a sex position.

And a theory is ALWAYS a theory. It never becomes something else. It may develop into an extremely strong repeatable theory. It never turns to "science" or into fact or a law. Its just a very well supported theory. One that may have a lot of confidence placed in it. Right up till its shown to be wrong, or makes a bad prediction just once. Then its junk. And is thrown out as incorrect.

[Sully]

I bow to your superior knowledge sir.

According to the shaky news source one of those muslim preachers tried to establish a Sharia court in Texas, he was charged with being in violation of multiple Texas laws.

Due to the freedom from religion principal in the Constitution I do not believe a state or any part of our government can outlaw the Quran itself. But the courts and quasi judiciary known as Sharia law as well as all its provisions, can be outlawed, as a violation of every American's Constitutional rights. Not just its Muslim followers.

[Burgerman]

Due to the freedom from religion principal in the Constitution I do not believe a state or any part of our government can outlaw the Quran itself. But the courts and quasi judiciary known as Sharia law as well as all its provisions, can be outlawed, as a violation of every American's Constitutional rights. Not just its Muslim followers.

You mean even if that religion is in its very design, a tool to make people behave in a way that will threaten your way of life, your culture, and promote death and gradual creeping 'religous' rights? So that they take over your communities, and turn it into a third world, violent place with the same sort of problems all Muslim countries have had for centuries? You cannot separate it from the problems it causes. It IS the problem.

Then your constitution needs a modern world update. No violent ideology from a backward civilization masquerading as a religion SHOULD be allowed in any country. If fact I don't think any religion deserves any special protection whatsoever. All of it is damaging and always was. It needs to be stamped out asap.

[Burgerman]

http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/fringe-no-lo ... tion-race/

Have a read...

[Burgerman]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... s-election

[Sully]

As of last evening here on the East Coast of the USA it was reported that Wilders had lost, this opportunity for election.

What do we suppose the fate of the extreme right has in the rest of Europe, France, & Germany topping the list ? This seems a very unsettled situation.

That very situation is playing out here, in my opinion. President Trumplethinskin is slowly learning that being President of a Republic is not an undisputed ruler, he is an Administrator and and Administrator only. The tools he had as an undisputed leader operator of a business Corporation, are not available to a President of our Constitutional Republic. I do fear for my nation as it is currently formed.

Thinking that Holland could start the tipping of the center parties to the right or ultra Nationalists seems to have missed the mark, just a step too far. Do not mistake Patriotism for Nationalism there is a difference.

[Burgerman]

What do we suppose the fate of the extreme right has in the rest of Europe, France, & Germany topping the list ? This seems a very unsettled situation.

Much better. And it keeps getting better as more wake up!

[Burgerman]

Muslims...

[Burgerman]

By the 1700's century, it was obvious that the church was a thing absolutely separate and distinct from the government. The boundaries on both sides are fixed and immovable. The separation of religion and politics was essential as they did not fit together and were different from each other.

But the liberal state was a radical innovation, as revolutionary as the market economy that was developing in the west and would shortly transform the world. Because of the violent passions it aroused, the segregation of religion from government was required for the creation of a peaceful society.

Secularisation emerged at a time when Europe was beginning to colonize the World, and it would come to exert considerable influence on the way the west viewed those it had colonized – much as in our own time, the prevailing secular ideology perceives Muslim societies that seem incapable of separating faith from politics to be irredeemably flawed.

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