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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 11 May 2017, 01:28

woodygb wrote:DD1- .97 MM - 100

I'd suggest that the hyphen denotes a break as it does before the force in pounds.

So ...stroke = 0.97 inch?


The info listed on southwestmedical website says 80mm stroke which is 3.1 inches. My damper fully extended is 8" & fully closed is 5.5" centre ball end to centre ball end. Fully extended the the shaft measures 2.25". So my actual stroke matches none of the online info. Lol

rustyjames wrote:You don't necessarily have to use the same manufacturers damper, you might be able to make another manufacturers work. Keep working it, you'll find something!


I'm open to anything that comes close enough to matching! Lol just haven't found one that's both directions. Think a standard push spring would work?
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 11 May 2017, 01:34

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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby Burgerman » 11 May 2017, 01:44

Yes anything the right length, and approx spring rate. Go look at motorcycle or quad bike stuff.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 11 May 2017, 02:02

Burgerman wrote:Yes anything the right length, and approx spring rate. Go look at motorcycle or quad bike stuff.


Ok! That simplifies things a lot! Thanks burgerman! :)
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby rustyjames » 11 May 2017, 03:57

Here's what's available thru McMaster https://www.mcmaster.com/#gas-springs/=17kn0d3
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby rustyjames » 11 May 2017, 04:12

It's a good possibility that Pride had a custom made size, so you might have to settle for getting something close and modifying your existing mount situation. Here's another source: http://www.suspa.com/us/home-us/
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 11 May 2017, 15:52

rustyjames wrote:Here's what's available thru McMaster https://www.mcmaster.com/#gas-springs/=17kn0d3


They have some that are close but only ship to Canada for businesses & schools.


rustyjames wrote:It's a good possibility that Pride had a custom made size, so you might have to settle for getting something close and modifying your existing mount situation. Here's another source: http://www.suspa.com/us/home-us/


I'll have a look. Thanks
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby Burgerman » 11 May 2017, 16:08

Dont worry about them looking similar. All will fit, just nuts and bolts.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby rustyjames » 11 May 2017, 20:40

hotwheels_75 wrote:
rustyjames wrote:Here's what's available thru McMaster https://www.mcmaster.com/#gas-springs/=17kn0d3


They have some that are close but only ship to Canada for businesses & schools.


rustyjames wrote:It's a good possibility that Pride had a custom made size, so you might have to settle for getting something close and modifying your existing mount situation. Here's another source: http://www.suspa.com/us/home-us/


I'll have a look. Thanks


If you find something that'll work for you with McMaster, I'd have no problem buying them and shipping up to you.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 12 May 2017, 01:46

rustyjames wrote:
If you find something that'll work for you with McMaster, I'd have no problem buying them and shipping up to you.


That's very kind of you to offer. I will keep that in mind. I think now I know a regular spring will work I should be able to get one at http://www.faucher.ca/index1.html
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby Burgerman » 12 May 2017, 02:00

You realise that stuff like this will bolt straight on? Moped, scooter, shox etc.

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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 12 May 2017, 02:29

With that sorted my next problem is the wiring. I'd like to clean up the existing harnesses and maybe upgrade the wire gauge if possible. Would appreciate some info & assistance, if anyone has it.

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This is the backside of my Front cover/panel. Front Side has a socket for the controller to plug-in. A fuse panel. Amp meter for the onboard charger, & a socket for the charger cord.

On the backside that is pictured starting on the right, is the power for the onboard charger, next is the cord that controls seat tilt via the joystick. The tiny red and black wires Are for the fuse & amp meter which I assume is only for The onboard charger which I am eliminating. The last two cords are for the controller & the chair tilt control. I need to build a different mount system & clean that mess up a bit. Can the fuse & amp meter be eliminated?


I need to Shrink The other pictures, but is it recommended to increase wire gauge on the battery harness or the motors? They definitely need to be shortened. I've searched for a thread that my cover this but didn't find anything. Is there one?
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 12 May 2017, 02:42

Burgerman wrote:You realise that stuff like this will bolt straight on? Moped, scooter, shox etc.

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Might be a tight fit ,they mount on the outside edge of the gearbox very close to the rear tire I will have to check clearance. I'm sure I could have a new bracket fabricated so one could work. I do want to a set like that to replace the rear shocks just because I think they look cool and my old ones need to be replaced.

I will have better look tomorrow. Everything I found on eBay was pretty heavy duty. Thanks for the input
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 12 May 2017, 22:20

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2749&p=35938#p35938

Just posting this for myself, so I can find it easy. Is it possible to edit posts once they're posted?
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 12 May 2017, 22:35

hotwheels_75 wrote:http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2749&p=35938#p35938

Just posting this for myself, so I can find it easy. Is it possible to edit posts once they're posted?



NM...found the FAQ ;) :ugeek:
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby Burgerman » 12 May 2017, 22:42

For a short while. After that it makes no sense as the posts that follow respond to the previous ones.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby rustyjames » 12 May 2017, 22:52

Hotwheels, are you keeping the tilt? Since you have a Pilot + system you could also use a harness from a Quickie 6*6 which is about as simple and clean as it gets. They're cheap and easy to get off ebay. I would eliminate the onboard charger, on less item that adds to the clutter.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 12 May 2017, 23:14

rustyjames wrote:Hotwheels, are you keeping the tilt? Since you have a Pilot + system you could also use a harness from a Quickie 6*6 which is about as simple and clean as it gets. They're cheap and easy to get off ebay. I would eliminate the onboard charger, on less item that adds to the clutter.


I am keeping the tilt, need it for pressure relief. I also need to be able to control it through the joystick. Would the quickie harness allow that?

I removed the charger. But there's still an amp meter & fuse. Pretty sure I can remove those? They were only used for the charger.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby rustyjames » 13 May 2017, 13:35

You would have to add a module to the controller for tilt. It would operate the tilt through the joystick. I don't see why you can't eliminate those items you mentioned, if you're removing the onboard charger.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 13 May 2017, 17:26

rustyjames wrote:You would have to add a module to the controller for tilt. It would operate the tilt through the joystick. I don't see why you can't eliminate those items you mentioned, if you're removing the onboard charger.


I have a Q-tronix box seat control for tilt if that's what you mean?


Do most rebuilders/modifiers upgrade the gage of their wiring? My battery cable are 8awg. Motor & controller cables are fair bit smaller, have not removed the looms to investigate what gauge they really are.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby rustyjames » 13 May 2017, 20:23

Your chair has Qtronix? The joystick too? I was under the assumption that Qtronix was only used on the Quickies.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 14 May 2017, 00:24

rustyjames wrote:Your chair has Qtronix? The joystick too? I was under the assumption that Qtronix was only used on the Quickies.


Oops I meant Helix seat controller.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby Burgerman » 14 May 2017, 07:37

Wow, looks like something from the 50s! Probably has valves or gear inside... :shock:
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 14 May 2017, 22:46

Burgerman wrote:Wow, looks like something from the 50s! Probably has valves or gear inside... :shock:


Lol it does doesn't it. "New" in 2001.

Is there a gauge recommendation for the different harnesses, battery, motors, controller etc. or just stick with factory?
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby Burgerman » 15 May 2017, 00:19

You will get a harsher ride.

How hard can it be?

Use the turf tyres I do, you gain about 15 to 20mm or 3/4 inch...

Or 6.50 x 8 tyres?
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 15 May 2017, 19:02

Just got a set of turf tires today.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby ex-Gooserider » 16 May 2017, 04:16

First thing I would do is to draw out a complete wiring diagram showing what goes where - this shows what you need, and what can be eliminated...

Sometimes you can find wiring diagrams published, but often they will show all the possible options, including stuff that might not be on your chair at all, so I still think it is best to draw out your own diagram, possibly using the published one for help...

You should be able to eliminate pretty much anything that has to do with the onboard charger, except possibly needing to tie any inhibit wires to ground.

Upgrading the battery cable gage is optional, especially in a chair that has relatively weedy motors. The heavy duty users like BM and the power-chair sports guys will generally go to AWG 6 or close to it, but realistically AWG 8 will be OK... (As I've noted before, BM uses 10mm^2 wire, which is about AWG 7 equivalent per the charts) If I was replacing the battery wiring for other reasons, I'd use AWG 6, but I probably wouldn't replace existing AWG 8 wiring just to replace it....

The wiring between the motors and the controllers is trickier as it is generally lighter, but remember that it is severely current limited by the controller, and you will probably be limited in how much upsizing is possible by the connections on each end. Because of this, there isn't a lot to be gained by trying to boost the wire size, so again I would only look at doing this if replacing the wires for other reasons.

For pretty much everything else on the chair the stock wiring sizes are probably OK... The rule is that it is OK to go to bigger wires, but never smaller unless you know exactly what you are doing....

Hard to give specific advice on rewiring beyond that you need to be careful to follow basic 'good practice' rules about wiring in general, essentially being neat and bundling wires so that they are protected... Avoid sharp edges, secure the wire bundles to the frame or other solid parts, and don't go between bending bits more than needed... If you do cross between areas that bend, make sure to examine how the routing works at both ends of travel and every point in between - watch out for excessively tight bends, any possible pinching or pulling, etc...

If you have extra functions like tilt and recline, the basic options are to

1. Control through the joystick, which will require an extra module, with wiring as needed...

2. Control through a separate controller, again with it's own wiring needs.

3. Go for simple, and use a DPDT, center off, momentary type switch, with optional travel limit switches in the wiring to the actuator... On my chairs, this is the option I prefer. (I think option 1 is only a good choice if operating a separate switch isn't possible with the users ability level)

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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 16 May 2017, 21:25

Thanks for the detailed response gooserider, very helpful. I will keep all that in mind. I think I'll just do my best to make it functional for now & then consider different wiring if/when I Upgrade the batteries.

I have to maintain the joystick control for the tilt. I don't have the Ability to use separate switches.
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Re: Quantum Blast 850 modification & rebuild

Postby hotwheels_75 » 21 May 2017, 20:27

I finally got some of my wiring figure out, isolated the Seat tilt power harness & removed all onboard charger stuff.

Can anyone recommend a good weatherproof quick connect three pin connecter for the tilt harness?

I also need to shorten most of my cables, they're all extra long. Is there an easy replacement for the 4 wire motor connectors?
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