

shirley_hkg wrote:ex-Gooserider wrote:I actually have several fixed voltage supplies for running my PL/8 and similar sorts of things, so the lower amps out due to 110V US power isn't a big concern. My primary interest is to have it as a variable CV-CC bench supply that I can use for testing things that need more juice than the supplies we have currently in the Asylum electronics shop...
ex-Gooserider
You should consider the 120V25A version , if large amps were not your priority .![]()
ex-Gooserider wrote:If I'm understanding the posts thus far, the unit we are talking about is auto switching between 110 / 220V, input. You get 0-60V out with either voltage in, but only get 25A maximum if running on 110... Is this Correct?
Correct .![]()
If so, what advantage would a 125V only, 25A out unit have? Seems like same thing except doesn't have the option of potentially being a travel supply that can take 220, or have the option (I think?) of connecting to a US 220V outlet if I really do need to go for the high power....
I mistakenly thought that you need higher volt for testing .![]()
ex-Gooserider
temp. -- Vcv -- Vfloat
20oC -- 29.7 -- 27.5
25oC -- 29.4 -- 27.3
30oC -- 29.2 -- 27.1 (for typical summer days here, this is what I've set)
40oC -- 28.8 -- 26.8
With out a Vcv timer, Odyssey recommends switching to float at 0.1C10, which is 0.63A which seemed to me excessive. Burgerman suggests a more reasonable 0.2A, but I found that with a pair of old, almost fully-charged batteries current didn't fall to 0.2A after 8 hours, but fell to 0.3A in about two hours with Vcv = 29.2 at a room temp of ca. 28oC, so that's what I've set.
If the charger has a timer, then it can switch from absorption
mode to float mode when the current drops to 0.001C10
amps. If the current fails to drop to 0.001C10 amps, then
the timer will force the transition to a float charge after no
more than 8 hours.
As an example, for a PC1200 battery,
the threshold current should be 4mA. Another option is to
let the battery stay in the absorption phase (14.7V or 2.45
VPC) for a fixed time, such as 6-8 hours, then switch to the
continuous float charge.
LROBBINS wrote:I think that I now have this supply mostly set up as I want it, so I thought I'd share my settings in case they're of use to others. Aside from use as a bench supply, the main use will be for charging series-paired Odyssey P1500 batteries. So my first step was to go to Figure 5 of the Odyssey technical manual to see what voltages they recommend:
temp. -- Vcv -- Vfloat
20oC -- 29.7 -- 27.5
25oC -- 29.4 -- 27.3
30oC -- 29.2 -- 27.1 (for typical summer days here, this is what I've set)
40oC -- 28.8 -- 26.8
With out a Vcv timer, Odyssey recommends switching to float at 0.1C10, which is 0.63A which seemed to me excessive. Burgerman suggests a more reasonable 0.2A, but I found that with a pair of old, almost fully-charged batteries current didn't fall to 0.2A after 8 hours, but fell to 0.3A in about two hours with Vcv = 29.2 at a room temp of ca. 28oC, so that's what I've set.
So, now on to setting up the supply:
The Eprom values (factory menu E) were set for my situation. I foresee rarely if ever needing more than 30V output, nor more than 30A so I set:
Eprom address --- Value
52 --- 3000 (= 30 V maximum allowed setting)
53 --- 3000 (= 30 A maximum allowed setting)
3-stage charger float voltage and transition current are set as thousandths of the base voltage and current settings:
Eprom address --- Value
73 --- left at default 930 which is 93% of CV voltage and very close to Odyssey's recommendations
74 --- 10 (this is 1% of base Amps setting, = 0.3A)
As others have noted, the stock fans are annoyingly loud. Not having appropriate resistors on hand, but having a large stock of 5Amp Schottkeys, I put 4 Schottkeys (with matching male & female connectors) into each fan line. This reduced the noise noticeably at low fan speed, but at low currents and with the shop at ca. 30oC it went to high speed at currents less than 1 Amp even, and that was still quite noisy. I therefore raised the transition temp a bit:
Eprom address --- Value
50 --- 55 (up to 55o from the default 50o)
and I added some Arctic silver between the heat sink and the left side plate of the case. The fan still gets pretty noisy at float, when the room temp is 30o, but stays relatively quiet at room temp = 25o and the outlet air is cold and the side plate barely warm. I think I could safely raise the transition temp to 60o, but will wait till I have some more experience with this.
At one point in all my fiddling things went quite strange - output voltage and current were about 1/2 of the set values, so I re-did the auto-calibration. To do that you have to get rid of the "88" password that had been set, then shut off the power supply with the push button and re-start holding the button pressed for ca. 15 seconds. (No sense for me to attempt a manual calibration as my multimeter is un-calibrated.)
Eprom address --- Value
99 --- 0 (changed from 88, and I've left it at 0 = no password so a 3 second long turn-on press brings me right to the factory menu without entering the 88)
The instructions for auto calibration in the user's manual are pretty clear - you just need to short the output when it says to, and then remove the short when it says to do that, and don't press the encoder during the rest of the multi-step sequence.
Once (with some help from Burgerman) I got used to the (translated) manuals, I found them reasonably easy to follow. I have, however, not yet set over voltage and over current values (factory menu 8). These are to protect from runaway failures of the power supply electronics and I will probably set them once I've experimented a bit to find reasonable values that don't give false errors (especially when used with motor loads than can regeneration-pulse voltages over the set voltage).
One last thing. At one point I had the front panel open with the supply unplugged but battery still connected (bad boy!) and shorted B+ to the case. I now have a nice (but hidden when buttoned up) burn mark on the case. A piece of tape is now on the case by those banana jacks. Oh yes, I also drilled a 2.5mm hole in the front fan surround and added a cable tie to stress-relieve the display/control wiring.
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ex-Gooserider wrote:For whatever it's worth, having worked in the Telecom world, and knowing what they require in terms of reliability, up-time and so on, it gives a pretty good indication that the core unit pre-mod-kit is a pretty solid item...![]()
ex-Gooserider
shirley_hkg wrote:I bought myself another one , to kill winter time via modification.
A question to John / LROBBINS . Wires seem very thin. Is it adviseable to use thicker wires for the mod ?![]()
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ex-Gooserider , I labelled the colours of the wires and the numbers are length in cm .
Don't mess up the SINGLE grey and black wires with that of the pairs . They go to different nodes .
ex-Gooserider wrote:Wire
Lastly the thick black wire that goes between the main board and one of the add-ons looks like a red and black wire together. I see a length of red / black zip-cord in the kit; it looks like the cord gets split and the red half gets used on the lamp - is the red stripe on the black wire just left over from splitting?
ex-Gooserider
ex-Gooserider wrote:Wire thickness:
Hard to be certain, especially since I haven't started the build yet, but from the photos, I would say that the thin wires aren't really a problem as they are basically just data / signal lines that don't have to pass any significant current.... They are actually HEAVIER than they need to be electrically in order to get enough mechanical strength... The only wiring that is ever a real concern is the stuff that carries heavy current, and that looks to be AWG 10 (or metric equivalent) which is adequate for the job...
OK .
What I mean is using thicker wires for signal will improve accuracy , or worse.
A bit more of a concern, and not sure how big of a problem it will be is that Steve's Google translation of the mod instructions were reasonably good on the text part, but they didn't translate the writing on the pictures... I think I can figure out most of it from the photos, but one item I was definitely confused about is in Chapter 3, right after they tell you to remove a pot, there is a blue board that is sitting diagonally with arrows pointing at the "G" connection on the blue add-on board and a hole in the main board... It isn't at all clear what they are trying to showMy guess is that I'm supposed to connect that "G" point to something (what???) and not block the hole, but....
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There is a pin on the big PCB . You have the G of the
add-on board , through that pin , and solder . Avoid blocking the hole for securing a screw thereat later .
I also noticed the number of component parts in the kit don't seem to match the numbers used in the pictures - did they just give us spares, and possibly stuff that is only used in the other version?
YES.
They are spares . Only need one for each .
Lastly the thick black wire that goes between the main board and one of the add-ons looks like a red and black wire together. I see a length of red / black zip-cord in the kit; it looks like the cord gets split and the red half gets used on the lamp - is the red stripe on the black wire just left over from splitting?
You are right . Just leftovers from its red half .
ex-Gooserider
After getting help to identify and reset the non-WC accessible breaker, I repeated the test using a wall outlet that we knew wasn't otherwise loaded. This time it passed, got the yellow CL light.... shirley_hkg wrote:
Test 1, turn the potentiometer so that you get no less than 57.5V . Turn it back when done .
Test 2, simply want to know its output short circuit protection WORKS .![]()
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