Looking for a RWD Chair with center foot plate in the US

[Burgerman]

No its not You did not read. PLEASE READ ALL OF THE WORDS SLOWLY!

On top of money to live, food, rent, etc.
If you never worked a day in your life, born disabled, or like me, or you worked, you get 23,250 dollars every 5 years ON TOP extra, REGARDLESS for "help with getting around". You get that if you are 5, or your age. Or mine. Its around 110 dollars a week. You are meant to use that on whatever helps you "getting around" that you decide. In my case, or yours that would buy a chair.

That is BEFORE I get a powerchair budget, or a free NHS powerchair. So even ignoring this completely, no cheque, I have 23.250 in dollars to buy a chair.
The last 2 chairs I bought were 9K in dollars and 6K in dollars. Do you see the difference?

Your system is different. And not very helpful.

I also get around 9k dollars ON TOP of this 3 yearly because I fought the system and won.

[expresso]

so your rich then - everyone is rich there

everyone gets 23K every 5 years there - and a free chair every 3 years or 5 ?

is that what your saying - just dosnt sound right - you get housing help - food help, and free chairs - and 23K every 5 years in cash ?

find me a home next to you - i be there soon

[Burgerman]

we dont get actual money in our hands for chairs - chairs are covered for free - picking a group 3 chair - any other - its maybe if you fight for it - or pay the difference yourself

I know you dont. And no it IS NOT FREE. The taxpayer, the working and you paid in. It makes the whole society poorer. And gives you no choices.

The system you have is highly regulated. You get what you are given. And because you are not the ones running around waving cash at your dealers as you do with everything else in life, then they dont give a crap about pricing, service or choice or you. Their customer is some insurer not you.

So you are ripped off in pricing to a horrendous amount esp on addons like seating options etc. And are given no choice. The free market capitalism that gives you wide choices, best prices, best service, cannot happen. So you are all screwed over.

Thats why I say you need to change the damned system! But if its all too much trouble you will continue to be shafted.

[expresso]

we keep going over this over and over

we all know its not free free free - that way - no need to explain that - its free to the person getting it - period - thats what i mean by Free - you know that - its not free there either - nothing in the world is free - but if i gave you something and you dont have to pay me anything - its free to you -


from what i hear from others here from there - they are not having it as you are - they are giving 4mph chairs - what ever they want to give you also - - so its a hand full maybe getting what you are - cant compare there to here -

if i want to save my own money and buy what ever i want - i can do that also -


so the question is - is everyone there getting 23K in cash every 5 years - and a free chair every 3 or 5 years there ?

[Burgerman]

Yes.
If you are severely disabled and so qualify.

Everyone gets money for food/clothing and living if unemployed. Thats means tested.
Everyone that NEEDS it it given a housing benefit to pay mortgage interest, or rent at a certain level. This is means tested.

Everyone gets an allowance if disabled. IN ADDITION. This is related to your disability. It is not means tested. You get it regardless.
If you cannot walk or need care then you get money. Its not means tested and you can have money in bank, work whatever.

One of these non means tested things is £62.50 weekly for help getting around because you cannot walk more than x yards. That adds up to 23,250 in dollars at todays rate. You can spend that of or takaways or cigarettes if you are daft enough. Or use it to by my salsa, and Q700R as intended.

But the NHS only have a remit to supply INDOOR 4mph chairs. ON TOP of the above. As well. I persuaded the system to give me a Cheque instead. And anyone can now do that. Yes this is a no lights 4mph chair. Because its in addition to the money everyone gets above.

[Rollin Positive]

one thing I will say about the quantum Rival (the RWD chair) is the suspension looks darn good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qODE-9nlk_s

Pride chairs suspension is for looks not function-able

To make maters worse that guy in the chair is Mark Smith a bit of a snake oil salesman at Pride

They would put him in there latest chair and show him off all over the county at trade shows

Then the next chair would come out and same thing but Pride and Mark left a path of angry customers stuck with the crappy chairs for the next 5 years

It got so bad his website and Pride customer forums got pulled down because customers complained about the products so much

Cheap motors, using NF22 batteries and lots of plastic parts that break

[Burgerman]

It uses the same electrocraft 4 pole motors and same group24 batts as other manufacturers use? I just looked at their site/specs. Yes mark was a problem. The only things wrong with that Rival chair was the fact that its far too nose heavy, and that you can never program it to steer properly even after you relocate the seating back some. So it will always steer awful. But that applies to every chair on the market unless you can fix it and that requires access to an OEM level or better programmer and a little knowledge. Right now theres only one system where thats still actually possible properly. And thats R-Net.

[Rollin Positive]

No its not You did not read. PLEASE READ ALL OF THE WORDS SLOWLY!

But it really doesn't matter because either country its not going to change

I got my chair that topped out at $75,000 MSRP

GROUP 4 my cost...$3000 which would had been less if I used my medical insurance more

You dont have to get it

Its just one of those things but I think you piss of more Americans because its the system we use and it works good for the most part you just have to understand it

Its kind of like the front wheel drive rant you go on each year...Now its just funny!!

[expresso]

i demoed one for a few weeks i used it it was a R400 - really same chair -

it sucked - just felt horrible - nothing like a sunrise chair - i rather take the 500H over pride

a friend got the R400 after i told him not too - its been sitting in his room past 4 years doing nothing - he hates it -

[Rollin Positive]

https://www.magicmobility.com.au/wheelchairs/frontier-v4-hybrid-rwd-electric-wheelchair/


you mean to say we cant get this chair here ? i swore i seen it for the US somewhere before - this model is the same as the off road model just skinny tires ?

Its confusing because both sites magic and innovation have chairs that are exclusive to each country and certain drives rear, mid, front wheel you can only get in certain countries

Just like the new 360 you can get it in UK AU but not US waiting for FDA approval

Waiting to hear back from them I will let you know

[Jay_x]

one thing I will say about the quantum Rival (the RWD chair) is the suspension looks darn good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qODE-9nlk_s

Pride chairs suspension is for looks not function-able

To make maters worse that guy in the chair is Mark Smith a bit of a snake oil salesman at Pride

They would put him in there latest chair and show him off all over the county at trade shows

Then the next chair would come out and same thing but Pride and Mark left a path of angry customers stuck with the crappy chairs for the next 5 years

It got so bad his website and Pride customer forums got pulled down because customers complained about the products so much

Cheap motors, using NF22 batteries and lots of plastic parts that break

I can't understand how my VA rep has never heard these things. SHe has been doing this for like 20 years and somehow she thinks quantum has great products and a great reputation. She claims her clients are very happy with them. Its bizarre. And also she works for the VA and gets no money or anything from quantum. I am just confused as to why she has such a high opinion of them.

She also says they have upgraded their chairs in the last couple years.

[Jay_x]

https://www.magicmobility.com.au/wheelchairs/frontier-v4-hybrid-rwd-electric-wheelchair/


you mean to say we cant get this chair here ? i swore i seen it for the US somewhere before - this model is the same as the off road model just skinny tires ?

Its confusing because both sites magic and innovation have chairs that are exclusive to each country and certain drives rear, mid, front wheel you can only get in certain countries

Just like the new 360 you can get it in UK AU but not US waiting for FDA approval

Waiting to hear back from them I will let you know

according to their website

* The Magic 360 is currently available for trial and sale in Australia, New Zealand, United Kingdom, France, Italy and Poland only. It will be released in other parts of Europe throughout 2021 and in the USA in early 2022. Please continue to check our site for availability in your local area.

[Burgerman]

But it really doesn't matter because either country its not going to change

12 years ago I got my country to change.
So thats bollox. I now get a cheque in place of the NHS supplied chair every 3 years to buy whatever I like. That pilot scheme was expanded across the UK and more and more people are getting this option. The NHS dont like it and fight all the way. But theres at least one other on this forum that now gets this. So you CAN make change if you are stubbourn and work hard.

I got my chair that topped out at $75,000 MSRP

The real cost of that is about 14K. Your system is rediculous.

GROUP 4 my cost...$3000 which would had been less if I used my medical insurance more

This cost me 4.4K with warranty. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10467&p=171033#p171026
That was zero miles but not "new". With warranty. OUTRIGHT.
The Salsa cost me 6k with some discount brand new with every possible expensive option. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7455&start=600#p122818
Now the recommended retail on those two was 10.4k and 12.5K delivered, with good batteries and charger. Every option ticked.
The prices you are taking about are fairy tales. Total distortion of the market. Not real prices as they cost in the rest of the planet.

You dont have to get it
Its just one of those things but I think you piss of more Americans because its the system we use and it works good for the most part you just have to understand it

But it is preventing many on here from getting a rear drive chair for e.g that they want!
And thats if we ignore the telephone numbers you pay. It destroys choice. It also makes it very hard to keep or maintain a chair at sensible cost yourself. And ties you to incompetant dealers that are incapable of fixing them or even properly programming them.

Its kind of like the front wheel drive rant you go on each year...Now its just funny!!

THAT just shows your ignorance. You would never know how good a chair can be. Because you have never set one up correctly, and never driven one thats programmed properly so it steers naturally and in a properly controlled fashion. When you do, test out a rear drive chair or even front drive, and compare that to the abysmal steering rear drive. Because only then will you have any clue about what I and other that do know, are talking about.
And I do notice that whatever chair you are in at the time including the early pride days on marks site you raved about... Even whe knowing almost nothing about how they work, or how and why they feel like they do. And never having drivern a properly set up or programmed chair.

[Burgerman]

Here are the Quickie Q chairs available in the rest of the world.
Obviously theres at least 6 or 7 other manufacturers offering rear drive too. Like Dietz for e.g.

https://www.sunrisemedical.co.uk/powere ... heelchairs

Those would be offered in the US too if your screwy system didnt restrict your choice so much. Also take a look at the real prices. You say you cannot change your system. But then if I had thought that way I would be stuck with an NHS supplied motorised deckchair. And I am not! Yes you need to fight. Even get a group together and sue them. For not allowing the choice. For rediculous pricing. For the right for parts and repair accessibility. Etc. If I can change the sytem they all said coudnt be changed then so can you.

[Burgerman]

I am john 51 although was 48 when this was started and it took a huge fight and government ministers to get done.

This was sent me by a member here. And I do not live in lincolnshire! But whatever. They are offering this same scheme across the country now and dont like it. Like all government institutions they dont like change. But you have to MAKE them like it.

[Burgerman]

So yes you can be a defeatist. Or just get on with it. The system can be changed.

Jay-X already inderstands why he doesent want mid or front drive. Your system offers him nothing else. Thats why I suggested changing it. Or buying new or used from the UK. Or the EU/australia or whatever. Hes not alone. Expresso wants rear drive and I dont blame him. I tried al the alternatives and they dont work as well and in the case of front drive dont steer properly either! I dont drive around like a grandma with stock programming and thats ALL you can do in front drives.

[expresso]

this has been repeated before - and only you and maybe 3 others get that -

from what i understand - many others dont - so


does every one there get a check or cash of 23K every 5 years handed to them - along with a free chair ever 3 years you say or 5 ?

[Burgerman]

does every one there get a check or cash of 23K every 5 years handed to them - along with a free chair ever 3 years you say or 5 ?

I do not know how many times I can answer the same question. This is now the 3rd time in one page!


YES In dollars YES.
Its not a lump sum its weekly. But the amount is correct after 5 years.
And YES a free chair every 5 years. OR the money that would have cost the NHS. Hence my aditional cheque.

YES YES YES YES YES YES.


Do you EVER actually read anything I post? I dont mean one line and think you got it. I mean PROPERLY???

[expresso]

i dont if its 80 pages long - have to keep it short

so every users gets cash and free chair - thats great - i need to move there

[Rollin Positive]

Sorry it took me so long to get back and post so here is the information

The Frontier v4 is avail in the USA

On the Innovation in Motion website it for some reason is being marketed as a rear wheel v6 but its not its a v4

https://mobility-usa.com/p-frontier-v6-fwd-rwd.php

Here is also the options list too

https://mobility-usa.com/pdfs/V6%20RWD% ... EBSITE.pdf

Medicare. Medicaid and private insurance funding is possible but because its a group 4 chair it will take a little more work.

There is no c73 version that is only a v6 option



youtu.be/lrCM5xe_xaw


Timm

Brand Ambassador Frontier Power Wheelchairs

Innovation in motion
Proud U.S. Distributor of Frontier Power Wheelchairs

[expresso]

very confusing -


what RWD is available here in the USA - which chair ? RWD can someone get here in the USA with medicare medicare ?


the way i feel about all this - i dont even want a new chair in 5 years - i am not going to do it - i will keep what have as long as they can repair them -

[Burgerman]

The V4 or if you prefer the rear drive V6 or whatever you want to callit in the US is available. Funding I have no clue about but dollars definitely work.

[expresso]

good luck with funding a group 4 chair these days -

depending on insurance it varies widely - my current setup - insurance wise - they dont want to deal with it - they just deny everything - then its up to you how you want to proceed - i will keep my current chairs as long as i can - 10 years if i have to - not to deal with any of this - besides what chair is there anyway to get new

RWD - theres almost none now - in 5 years - there be less than none - i am so glad i got my last chair 636 model - its all downhill now

[steves1977uk]

You'll have to take a holiday (vacation) in the UK/Europe expresso, then you can have your pick of a RWD chair.

Steve

[expresso]

that i agree - better choice of chairs there for sure

get the spare bedroom ready -

[Rollin Positive]

Expresso its a v4 rear wheel you can get it in the US

There is no such thing as a rear wheel v6

Not sure why the website shows it I talked to Magic Moblity last week there only rear wheel drive is the v4

You can get it covered with Medicare or Medicaid but its a little harder because its a group 4

Dont use the NuMotion you used last time if you try in 4 years


https://www.magicmobility.com.au/wheelc ... heelchair/

https://www.magicmobility.com.au/wheelc ... D=off-road

[Swan T.W.]

Expresso its a v4 rear wheel you can get it in the US

There is no such thing as a rear wheel v6

Not sure why the website shows it I talked to Magic Moblity last week there only rear wheel drive is the v4

You can get it covered with Medicare or Medicaid but its a little harder because its a group 4

Dont use the NuMotion you used last time if you try in 4 years


https://www.magicmobility.com.au/wheelc ... heelchair/

https://www.magicmobility.com.au/wheelc ... D=off-road

In the USA it's a V6RWD look at innovation in motions website.

[Burgerman]

The site is wrong. Its a V4 everywhere else in the world. And logically should be the same on that website. They may call it something different on there, but the people that make it say its a V4. (V6 has 6 wheels, V4 has 4 wheels.)

As here. https://www.magicmobility.com.au/wheelc ... D=off-road

[Swan T.W.]

The site is wrong. Its a V4 everywhere else in the world. And logically should be the same on that website. They may call it something different on there, but the people that make it say its a V4. (V6 has 6 wheels, V4 has 4 wheels.)

As here. https://www.magicmobility.com.au/wheelc ... D=off-road

Site might be wrong but that's what they call them. And since they are the distributor they have the V6RWD, V6FWD, V6MWD and the V6 Frontier. That's what they are called in CDN also.Canadians buy them through IIM indirectly.They probably do not know what a V4 is. It's the American way, import something and change the name for unknown reasons.

[Burgerman]

It doesent much matter what they call it its the same chair. And its available. Its the only magic mob chair I would be interested in. If they were not so damned expensive. They price them the same as permobils... Around 50 to 80% more than any normal chair.