Faith, gods, religion, and disability.

[moonstroller]

Then force is needed. A society where religion is pushed onto normal otherwise logical rational people isnt free. Its just the opposite.

Shoot them if thats what it takes to be rid of the desease. Anywhere, anything, public, or official, or goverment, is no place for delusions that affect kids brains.

Do that an suffer the Ir of the generations to follow. They will grow lax in the comfort of the newly created society and with less social confrontation, they will focus on the humanity of the race. After careful review of our actions to create their world, they will condemn us and make an example of us in the history books declaring it could have been done in a more humanitarian fashion. We would be listed right along with Hitler as a society gone mad.

[moonstroller]

Is it me or has NASA and the European Space Agency changed their focus from the moon and mars to landing astronauts on Asteroids? Is the earth at risk?

There is a team of astronauts training in the pools for just such a mission.

[Burgerman]

Do that an suffer the Ir of the generations to follow. They will grow lax in the comfort of the newly created society and with less social confrontation, they will focus on the humanity of the race. After careful review of our actions to create their world, they will condemn us and make an example of us in the history books declaring it could have been done in a more humanitarian fashion. We would be listed right along with Hitler as a society gone mad.

Society, and religion IS mad now. It would be doing the rational logical normal members of society and all kids being damaged by this crap a favour.

But yes sadly you are right. Because there are more sub normal delusionalists than logical rational people. We (Logical, rational, non brainwashed, hi IQ, logical people) are a minority.

[Foz]

What is thought about this thought?

http://earth-central.weebly.com/

[Burgerman]

He either is taking the piss out of the retarded or is one of them? He cant actually be serious surely?

Not sure if it really even merits an explanation but I will give one anyway...

Look out of your car side window as you go along the road.
Fences fly past. Sign posts fly past.
You can see you are moving.
Take a picture and even at a 60th of a second the fence is a blur of movement.
Now look at the mountain in the distance a few miles away. Perfectly sharp! And the further away they are the sharper they will be and the more difficult it is to see movement.
Why? Because they appear smaller in your image because they are farther away. And if this was stars you would be looking at a section of sky that was millions of light years across. The earths miniscule movement compared to the size of the bit of space you are looking at is undetectable with any camera.

Why do you suppose a giant star that is millions of times bigger than this planet, at an astonishingly vast distance apears stationary in a photo? Because you dont move far enough in an hour or even 100 hours to have any detectable effect. It would be a vanishingly small affect even if you had camera sensors that are millions of times more detailed, and if lenses were millions of times sharger than they are. And even then the atmosphere would prevent it being seen anyway.

[Foz]

Lol...........look at this then! the whole forum in general
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=210683

[Burgerman]

Yes it seems he is generally retarded...

[BronwynH]

But yes sadly you are right. Because there are more sub normal delusionalists than logical rational people. We (Logical, rational, non brainwashed, hi IQ, logical people) are a minority.

Mensans the high IQ group represent just 2% of the world population.

Bronwyn

[moonstroller]

What is thought about this thought?

http://earth-central.weebly.com/

A nice place to waste time.

[moonstroller]

Do that an suffer the Ir of the generations to follow. They will grow lax in the comfort of the newly created society and with less social confrontation, they will focus on the humanity of the race. After careful review of our actions to create their world, they will condemn us and make an example of us in the history books declaring it could have been done in a more humanitarian fashion. We would be listed right along with Hitler as a society gone mad.

Society, and religion IS mad now. It would be doing the rational logical normal members of society and all kids being damaged by this crap a favour.

But yes sadly you are right. Because there are more sub normal delusionalists than logical rational people. We (Logical, rational, non brainwashed, hi IQ, logical people) are a minority.

You know, Russia got rid of religion with communism, sort of.

In the end it was money that did them in, not religion.

I think central banks are the real culprit that keeps people from seeing the truth about religion. Keeping them in debt and depressed, they naturally turn to something looking for hope.

Has anyone seen this movie "Zeitgeist" at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guXirzknYYE

It blows religion out of the water and adds the notion of central bank control of the world. In fact, the central banks of the world use religion to keep people under control.
Hey! bring down the bank and bring down religion.

[Burgerman]

Not sure I see the connection between banks, stupid people being in debt, and religion?

Other than you need to be retarded to do either. So thats a common denominator.

[moonstroller]

Not sure I see the connection between banks, stupid people being in debt, and religion?

Other than you need to be retarded to do either. So thats a common denominator.

The movie shows the links.
John.

[malamar]

To change a culture it is not necessary to change the masses - you only have to convince the intellectuals, and the US has by far the best intellectuals.

Now this.....
And where " INTELLECTUALS " can't reach, VI th Fleet surely will,...where is the problem ?? (hirony)

[moonstroller]

To change a culture it is not necessary to change the masses - you only have to convince the intellectuals, and the US has by far the best intellectuals.

Now this.....
And where " INTELLECTUALS " can't reach, VI th Fleet surely will,...where is the problem ?? (hirony)

When people are raised in a culture of religion, the older they get the more convinced they are that religion is all they have to look forward to. Life, while it can be enjoyable, only lasts for a short time. We all must face the fact of our mortality. How we think about this is constantly altered by the pains and suffering we go through as we move along our life-path.

What is it to us if we change the culture of our world and never get to enjoy it?

If we can control our minds to only think about good things or things we find enjoyable, we have centered ourselves in the most enjoyable place we can inhabit. It's all in the mind.

An old Indian friend of mine said that people spend at least 75% of their time thinking about sex while they spend less than 2 % of their lifetime indulging in it.

If we spent everyday meditating about enjoyable things, we are much better off than spending our life worrying about how upside down the world is. The body is formed by exercise and healthy eating. The mind is formed by healthy thinking.

Unhealthy thinking makes you mentally sick.

John.

[ex-Gooserider]

If we can control our minds to only think about good things or things we find enjoyable, we have centered ourselves in the most enjoyable place we can inhabit.

Well isn't that why we spend so much time thinking about sex???

ex-Gooserider

[Sully]

Well good for you, I hope it is still worth thinking about. After surviving Prostate Cancer that is all I can do ~(:<) There ain't no doing!!!! But hell I am still alive aren't I? Hahaha

[ex-Gooserider]

All I can do is think about it too... Part of the injury package. Frustrating as hell, because it ALMOST works - I have feeling below my injury level, and correct thinking or "monkey motion" gets the expected uplifting result, but that's where it stops - the gun cocks but will not fire, and after a while continued efforts become more painful than pleasant...

Essentially I have what is called "lower motor neuron damage" - which means the nerves that actually trigger the action don't carry the signal... Because of this, I'm told that medications won't help, as I can already do the things the pills give you... Another side effect is that electrical stimulation (like an FES bike) doesn't work on me... Only kind of good aspect is that it also means I have zero spasticity issues...

ex-Gooserider

[moonstroller]

you guys are too funny.

I don't indulge much if any these days but I enjoy the company of my wife, who, I guess, feels the same way. Such is life.

John.

[Burgerman]

I used to indulge, but my GF moved out a while ago...

Pic from when we used to have warm weather, before global warming made it colder... http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/images- ... athing.jpg

[Phil Esgate]

How did I miss this picture? - Heck.... My gun has just cocked but won't fire too - aaaghghh!

[Burgerman]

Intelligent animals. BBC so uk only...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_2/

Watch till end!

Tell me those apes talking to the presenter are not intelligent. And one has HUGE nuts...

[moonstroller]

It won't let me see the video. What's it about?

[Burgerman]

Intelligent animalls. Including two apes that can talk about past, future, make decisions, understand many complex things and can comunicate this via a simplefied story book type common language. Most interesting - especially those that say humans are different to animals... Only by degree.

[Lord Chatterley]

Intelligent animalls. Including two apes that can talk about past, future, make decisions, understand many complex things and can comunicate this via a simplefied story book type common language. Most interesting - especially those that say humans are different to animals... Only by degree.

All these "experts" have not got a clue.

They merely contend that a percept is a concept and proceed on that basis.

Unfortunately for them that premise is false - a percept is NOT a concept.

The difference between a human being and an animal is greater than the difference between an animal and a plant - and that is not merely a quantitative difference - it is a qualitative difference.

Nor is the obviousness of this fact dependent on experimentation or a theory of epistemology - the proof is all around us.

Monkeys belong where they have always belonged - in the forest. Our forest is not just a bigger forest - it is the whole universe.

LC

[Burgerman]

No, its just by degree. I and many scientists all disagree with you. Watch elephant exploring the cross on its head in the mirror, the apes talking and communicating clearly... Then explain that without resorting to philosophy which is meaningless to me.

[Phil Esgate]

There's very little difference between that ape and many people I know. In fact I'd much rather have the ape as company rather then them!

[Burgerman]

That ape shows more intelligence than most of the nutters living in the council estates and seen wandering about in the wild with cans of Tennants extra, tattoos, shirt around waste in the town centre.

It shows thought, forward planning, recognition of itself, others, rules, needs, and clearly communicates it.

You can use as many big words stolen from philisophy as you want to, but they dont change what I see.

[moonstroller]

Apes look tranquil in the wild on video but given the right circumstances you don't want to be anywhere near them when they become enraged. Death by Ape is not a pretty site and they will kill a human when they might not kill another ape.

An interesting documentary I saw demonstrated that wolves, taken from the wild and domesticated over a few generations not only become docile i the company of humans but their physical characteristics change as well. The snots become more rounded instead of pointed and preditory looking. The texture of their fur changes and they start to look like common domesticated dogs.

They still act like animals and learn as animals with little drift towards wanting or needing to talk or demonstrate they have needs. My dog will get up on his hind legs when he needs to go out or wants some food, etc. He will continually stare when he wants to play with his toys. There is some communication going on there between him expressing a need for something and me trying to understand what that need is. Sometimes he appears to get dejected if I don't get it. <smile>

I have to agree, the gap between animal and man is a large gap.

[moonstroller]

Should we be fearful of genetic engineering?


Check out this story: Gene-swapping vaccines spawn lethal poultry virus: experts

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/bre86b ... -vaccines/

Two different viruses, used as treatment for a Chicken disease, manage to merge together in the coop, from chicken to chicken, and create an entirely different virus that is deadly.

[Burgerman]

Fearful? no. Careful? Yes.