Pride Fusion Power Chair Info

[Sully]

Terry, read the top posts that have everything you need for building a BM Modeled chair, the sites list the prices of many motors and other parts, purchased independent of Medical equipment vendors. If you are asking or seeking some very greedy people to do the work for you, or pricing through Wheelchair vendors and mechanics, then you have pretty much missed the point of this whole site. It will help you if you take the time to read it all, and you either have some mechanical/electrical abilities or a (real) friend who can and will help you.

But YOU have to have the will to do some of these things yourself. Changing 2 motors takes less than an hour for gimpy old me. Provided the mountings are the same which is quite common. You just have to "LOOK" at how they mount to see for yourself. Most motors have to have the plugs changed to make them match and connect to its power source, the controller. THey will run as is but probably will need to be programmed to meet your requirements.

I think you are building mountains in front of yourself to avoid taking those first steps. You also have to weed out the things that are over your head, and try to avoid those things.

[terry2]

Terry, read the top posts that have everything you need for building a BM Modeled chair, the sites list the prices of many motors and other parts, purchased independent of Medical equipment vendors. If you are asking or seeking some very greedy people to do the work for you, or pricing through Wheelchair vendors and mechanics, then you have pretty much missed the point of this whole site. It will help you if you take the time to read it all, and you either have some mechanical/electrical abilities or a (real) friend who can and will help you.

But YOU have to have the will to do some of these things yourself. Changing 2 motors takes less than an hour for gimpy old me. Provided the mountings are the same which is quite common. You just have to "LOOK" at how they mount to see for yourself. Most motors have to have the plugs changed to make them match and connect to its power source, the controller. THey will run as is but probably will need to be programmed to meet your requirements.

I think you are building mountains in front of yourself to avoid taking those first steps. You also have to weed out the things that are over your head, and try to avoid those things.

Thanks Sully. The top post? you mean the Roboteq thread?

I think BM would say "terry build his own! he doesn't even know about tyres"

I'm on that much morphine I can't think straight most of the time. But I'm better of then most.
New tyres coming this week for the front then I will tackle the back tyres.

[Sully]

I mean any of the top six threads with the light bulbs There are ideas and costs at the time of writing, covering every possible thing and how people have circumvented their problems and those items they did it with. Also the WheelChairDriver Web site Pages.

[terry2]

I mean any of the top six threads with the light bulbs There are ideas and costs at the time of writing, covering every possible thing and how people have circumvented their problems and those items they did it with. Also the WheelChairDriver Web site Pages.

I'm saving up for the battery conversion, then I hope to find the 6 mph motors that pride make but won't sell here.
Then I want the LCD light package that pride make but won't sell here. That's my plan.

Or if BM sells me his when he is done with it CHEAP

[Burgerman]

Here's the thing. Well before I am done with it, it will be chopped up, rebuilt and probably have 4 wheel suspension and a few other changes and get reused for a few years. Nothing stays the same around here for long.

[terry2]

Here's the thing. Well before I am done with it, it will be chopped up, rebuilt and probably have 4 wheel suspension and a few other changes and get reused for a few years. Nothing stays the same around here for long.

Plan B out of the window

[terry2]

My mate fitted my back tyres and they look great
Never had to remove the mud guard. Just waiting for the front tyres to come then I will post
before and after pictures. It's like Christmas again lol

[terry2]

After and before. I think it looks better. Test run in the morning.

[Burgerman]

Are you sure the rear one is seated correctly? Maybe just lens distortion.

It will have:

Slightly more speed. Slightly less torque, slightly less range. Will have a slightly better ride and you will probably be able to drop the tyre pressures a bit.

Anti tips will be affectively higher, so better for getting off curbs etc but worse if you don't like wheelies!

All these things are compromises.

[terry2]

Are you sure the rear one is seated correctly? Maybe just lens distortion.

It will have:

Slightly more speed. Slightly less torque, slightly less range. Will have a slightly better ride and you will probably be able to drop the tyre pressures a bit.

Anti tips will be affectively higher, so better for getting off curbs etc but worse if you don't like wheelies!

All these things are compromises.

I thought that about the tyre being a bit out. But my mate said that because you have to unbolt
the rims in half to put the new tyres\inner tubes on and re-bolt them up. Once he put air in they moved about.

They're not like car tires that has rims to keep them straight.
He will be back on Friday so I will ask him to see if he can get it better. The other side is the same.

I should be able to tell when I test it out in the morning(I hope)

[Burgerman]

When seated correctly the bead will be the same distance within 1mm all the way around both sides of both tyres... Or theres a problem Houston.

[terry2]

When seated correctly the bead will be the same distance within 1mm all the way around both sides of both tyres... Or theres a problem Houston.

lol

My mate is coming to have a look. He said the grey tyres had a 1/2 inch at the bottom of the rye that was grippy
and a ridge that held it in place. The so called rim is just two pieces of metal with no rim.

I don't think there is much I can do about it.?

[Burgerman]

You lost me. I never saw a tyre that wouldn't properly sit on a rim.

[terry2]

You lost me. I never saw a tyre that wouldn't properly sit on a rim.

It's not a normal rim as such. It's 2 pieces of round flat alli held together by 3 bolts.
You can't take off\on a tyre like you can on a car.

The front were solid so that held the tyre central.
The rear tyre had a kind on rim on the tyre(see pic) that held it in place.

Taking it off in the morning to have another look.

[Burgerman]

Both sets of tyres should have that. Unless that rim is an odd small size.

[terry2]

My mate realigned the tyre and it's only 1\32 out. It was only 16th out in the first place.
This because the rims come in two parts and the face is flat. My tyre has no grippy bit on. But oh hum.

Now for the important bit.
The ride was so much better, going up\down kerbs was a pleasure. And yes I pulled a wheelie

I've decided not to go for the 6 mph motors at £800(if I could get them) I'm going for the 8.5 mph ones.
But all in all I'm happy with the tyre change. So that's a positive.

If anyone who lives near or around brum\Solihull they can have these two tyres for free
http://www.mobilitysmart.cc/impac-pneum ... -4225.html

[terry2]

BM any chance of changing the title to "Pride Fusion Power Chair Info" please.
I thought I would keep this in here.

The only difference between the Fusion 6 mph and the UK 4 mph is the gearbox.
Both have 450w motors, both have the same batteries.

I think because pride is a very tight with their money only the gears within the gearbox would have changed.
I'm trying very hard to get hold of a busted Fusion 6 mph gearbox so I can see what's what.
Not having much luck at the moment but I will keep trying. If you see one please post and I will buy it.

If it is just the gears\cogs then it will be very cheap to upgrade our chairs

[Burgerman]

If so, it will reduce torque by 33 percent, make it harder to steer, and reduce range by the same amount. And will discharge batteries deeper each day meaning they last a shorter time. So it may or may not make sense as an upgrade unless you are light.

[terry2]

If so, it will reduce torque by 33 percent, make it harder to steer, and reduce range by the same amount. And will discharge batteries deeper each day meaning they last a shorter time. So it may or may not make sense as an upgrade unless you are light.

I've checked the Australian and European breakdown pdf, and they all have a6mph\450w motor.

"MOTOR,ASSY,DRIVE,10KMH,450W,TAPERED SHAFT,W/GEARBOX & INDIVIDUAL BRAKE RELEASE,PAIR,QUANTUM R40"

In the pdf it says "ELECTRONIC,ASSY,VR2,70 AMP,6KMH,350W MOTORS,QUANTUMR40,EURO" But I've got the 450W motors!
This so confusing.

Wonder how they got the 6 mph then?
I was thinking about when I upgrade to Lithium batteries later this year.

EDIT=wonder if there is a setting in the PC program that could activate the 6 mph?

[terry2]

I'm off to find a VR2 PRG file from the 6 mph chair and then compare it with mine. Sounds like a plan.

[Burgerman]

If speed is set to 100% that's it. You cant get more.

[terry2]

If speed is set to 100% that's it. You cant get more.

Yes it's at 100%. So I will try to get a gearbox. What about upping the watts\volts in the program?
You should open your own company doing power chairs BM. BM stands for Brilliant Mobility

[Burgerman]

The volts are whatever the battery is. 24V.
The Watts are whatever the motor pulls in amps (usually the max of the controller so 70 or 90 for eg) x the battery volts. So your motors may pull 90A x 24V = 2160Watts each. So 4320 watts total.

[terry2]

I've emailed all known Pride sites and asked if I could buy either two 6 mph motor\gearbox. Not one has come back to me
Now I'm searching the ebay sites around Europe to see if there is a second hand\busted one I can buy.

I have found some nice lights for the fusion
http://www.fasttech.com/products/1603/10012404/2100401 £17.16 with free shipping.
Comes with it's own rechargeable battery pack and charger. Not bad for the money.

[terry2]

Update. I've heard nothing from any Pride mobility store\e-shop
I can't even get hold of a broken 6 mph gearbox. But Here is the breakdown pdf if anyone wants to look.

http://www.activemobilitymaintenance.co ... rchair.pdf

[ex-Gooserider]

Don't insist on the lable saying "Pride" - they aren't doing anything magic, all they are doing is buying mostly stock parts from the different manufacturers, cobbling together a frame and bolting them on....

If you can figure out the original source for the parts, you can often bypass the chair maker and save some big bucks....

For things like lights, if you can work a toggle switch, it is easy to get BETTER parts than Pride's for less money off eBay, DX.com, Ali Baba and so on... With little shopping I can turn a chair into a rolling light show for under $100, and basic lights for maybe $20...

ex-Gooserider

[terry2]

Don't insist on the lable saying "Pride" - they aren't doing anything magic, all they are doing is buying mostly stock parts from the different manufacturers, cobbling together a frame and bolting them on....

If you can figure out the original source for the parts, you can often bypass the chair maker and save some big bucks....

For things like lights, if you can work a toggle switch, it is easy to get BETTER parts than Pride's for less money off eBay, DX.com, Ali Baba and so on... With little shopping I can turn a chair into a rolling light show for under $100, and basic lights for maybe $20...

ex-Gooserider

Hi.
What you've said is very true. But because pride don't sell spares to the public it's very hard to find out
were they got the parts from. All the numbers on the label point to pride Europe\Australia.
I've heard nothing back from any pride dealers world wide.

My uncle in Australia tried to buy the 6mph motors but was told as he didn't have a R40\Fusion he can't have them!
I've reported pride to my euro mep, but I don't think they will do a thing.
I do know all the parts was made in china but finding the company is a pain. But I won't give up

[terry2]

Hi all.
Has anyone tried or know of someone that have tried this battery https://www.batterymasters.co.uk/Produc ... uded.-L(mm)-W(mm)-H(mm)-196-164-172_2251.aspx

https://www.batterymasters.co.uk/Produc ... 2-TECH.pdf PDF\Info.

It's just that my carer has had a email about them and thought I MAY get longer battery life with them.
I(as others) haven't got the £2,000 to do a conversion to lithium. So I still looking at LF4Pro battery packs.

[Burgerman]

They are only 0.2C normal rate discharge. 1C at pulse discharge. And 40Ah.
So they will die for good most likely on the first ramp or curb. And give the same or less range than a 55 Ah lead battery.

Unless they have a BMS inside in which case they will keep cutting out as you need power.

And...

40mOhm - that's 10x worse than the gel batteries, and 25 times worse than the Odyssey lead batteries.
And they are 400 pounds each! That's DEARER Ah for Ah than doing the job correctly.

How many times do I have to repeat this. There are no drop in easy lithium fixes.

Summing up...
Wont last long.
Will not take you as far as a decent set of massively cheaper lead batteries.
Will cut out on the internal BMS every time you try to take a high current from them.
And will cost 4x as much as the lead ones!

[terry2]

They are only 0.2C normal rate discharge. 1C at pulse discharge. 2.5C before the BMS cuts power. And 40Ah. So plug gets pulled at about half what your powerchair can require and long after you are damaging the cells.
So they will die for good most likely on the first ramp or curb. And give the same or less range than a 55 Ah lead battery.

How many times do I have to repeat this. There are no drop in easy lithium fixes.

Thanks for putting me right again BM.
Gel batteries it is from now on. But lets hope someone does a plug and play battery LiFePO4 soon.